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How-To: Energy boost mixing

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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Editor's note: We're going to make this a sticky topic because it benefits many DJs. For more experimental mixes check out the Advanced Harmonic Mixing section of our book, Beyond BeatMatching.

Overview

"Energy boost mixing" is a great technique to create energy on your dance floor.

How-To

Here is how to use it: Detect the key of your current song, and pick the next song to be 1 or 2 semitones above it.

If you're in C Minor, your next key should be D-flat Minor (+1 semitone) or D Minor (+2 semitones). Take a look at the image above. The rule is always the same, just go "right" on the piano from your original key.

The effect is really interesting: Energy on the dancefloor will rise every time. It doesn't work with every song, but most of the time it can create a pleasant effect.

Does this translate to Camelot numbers?

Yes. To go up one semitone, add 7 to your current Camelot number. If you're in E-flat Minor (2A), add 7 and you'll be in E Minor (9A).

To go up two semitones, just add 2 to your current Camelot number. If you're in C Minor (5A), add 2 and you'll get D Minor (7A). Play your next tune in 7A, and you'll experience an energy boost mix.

Who uses it?

I've heard Sasha and Armin Van Buuren use this technique many times. I personally love mixing +2 semitones since it does not clash as much as mixing +1 semitone. Every DJ should try this mix: The effect is really interesting.

Yakov

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Mentos
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I assume the same rules apply here as for modulation mixing in that basslines and melodies should be kept separate? Just wanted to clarify it .
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Hi, That's right, it's better not to overlay melodies in modulation mixing.
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Hyperion
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Hi Yakov Thanks for the information. I guess my question also relates to modulation mixing. The examples given using the Camelot system always us the numbers that end in "A" (e.g. go up two semitones from 2A to 7A). How about the rules to do with numbers that end in "B"? Does energy boost mixing also work with 2B to 7B, for example? Also, is there somewhere I can look for further techniques? For example, how do you effectively slow the dance floor down if your crowd as been dancing manically for a couple of hours? Thanks
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Alex D
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Common sense would indicate that it would be plausible to mix-down by one semitone, eg. from 9A to 2A...Is this a reasonable assumption? Why or why not? ~Alex D
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Hi, The examples given using the Camelot system always us the numbers that end in "A" (e.g. go up two semitones from 2A to 7A). How about the rules to do with numbers that end in "B"? Does energy boost mixing also work with 2B to 7B, for example? Absolutely, the same rules apply. We usually use "A" for examples because Minor scale is more common in dance music. Every tutorial described here will work with "B" as well, such as in your 2B to 7B example. (technically, two semitones would be 2B to 4B... Just add 2). Also, is there somewhere I can look for further techniques? For example, how do you effectively slow the dance floor down if your crowd as been dancing manically for a couple of hours? I can write a new "How-To" topic on this subject :) Thanks for the tip. Common sense would indicate that it would be plausible to mix-down by one semitone, eg. from 9A to 2A...Is this a reasonable assumption? This is a reasonable assumption, and it actually drops the energy level. This directly relates to the post above. If you want to slow the dance floor down, mix -1 semitone or -2 semitones in your DJ set.
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Hyperion
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technically, two semitones would be 2B to 4B lol - of course, I do read what you write, honestly! :-)
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Darren
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I under stand the process of moving to the right and going from 1 upwards to 5 but in the scale of 1 to 12 using the camelot system which is the lower end higher end of the scale i.e. where should you start your sets??
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Hi Darren, The Camelot scale is circular. If you're in #12, you can go to #11 or #1. It's just like a clock, and you can go clock-wise and counter clock-wise. My favorite place to start is 7A. I would then progress into 8A, 9A and 10A. I have a lot of good tech house tunes in 10A and 11A, and I can mash them up live. From there, it depends on the crowd. There is no "best place" to start. It just depends on your music and what songs you like to play first :) Everyone, what is your favorite starting song and key? Any particular tunes that get you in the mood to DJ?
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DJKwon
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Everyone, what is your favorite starting song and key? Any particular tunes that get you in the mood to DJ? I can't pick just one =) So 3A, 10A and 11B are my favourites!
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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What tunes do you like in those keys? My favorite 10A is "Axwell - Feel The Vibe", classic House song.
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Darren
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I like a lot of tracks around 5 or 6 Blaze - Most Precious Love Mylo in your arms (Den Zchuzen mix) Gadjo - So Many Times Bootyluv - Boogie 2 Nite (Seamus Haji) Its usually were I start my sets and then take it up or down from there.
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DJ Joe Kane
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to get from 2a to 9a how much do you increase your bpm by.Thanks
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Hi, Increase your BPM by exactly 6%, and you'll go from 2A to 9A.
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DJ Joe Kane
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what is 6%, is it for example;138bpm-146bpm
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DJDonEsteban
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Joe, Yes, 138bpm increased by 6% is 146bpm. Keep in mind the reason 6% is so important, changing the pitch 6% changes the key of a song by 1-semitone (or a half-step). Increasing the tempo by 6% is calculated by multiplying the starting tempo by 1.06: (138 x 1.06 = 146) A semitone change is simply moving to the next note on a piano, in either direction (left or right). See Yakov's example at the start of this thread. To relate this to the Camelot chart, it's the same as moving clock-wise 7 times. For example, 2A (Ebm) moved 7 is 9A (Em). This also works in the opposite direction, in our example decreasing the pitch by -6% lowers the tempo form 138bpm to 130bpm and the key from 2A (Ebm) to 7A (Dm), that is moving counter clock-wise on the Camelot chart. To calculate lowing the tempo by 6%: divide the starting tempo by 1.06: (138 / 1.06 = 130) or (138 x 0.943 = 130). Either way gives the same results. Hope this helps.
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DJ Joe Kane
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thanks for the help,I understand so for instance an increase from 138bpm to say 142bpm would be an increase of 3% ranging from key 2a to 5a
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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thanks for the help,I understand so for instance an increase from 138bpm to say 142bpm would be an increase of 3% ranging from key 2a to 5a That's almost right. When you go from 2A to 9A, you're actually in-between two keys (2A and 9A). It's not the same as being in 5A. It's kind of a weird concept, but look at the piano image again. If you're half-way between two keys, you're not in a different key (5a - C Minor), but rather between 2A (E-Flat Minor) and 9A (E Minor).
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DJDonEsteban
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Joe, You’re correct regarding the tempo change, 138bpm raised 3% is 142bpm. But 2A (Ebm) raised 3% is not 5A (Cm). It is right in between the notes Ebm and Em. Refer to the piano diagram above. The table below shows 12 notes from a piano and the corresponding Camelot values. (The notes with b are flats, black keys, with the others being the white keys). The Camelot chart is not in the same order as the notes on a piano. For example, below find Ebm, notice Em is right after it (a black key then white one). In a musical since this is equivalent to a 6% pitch increase or 1-semitone up. But on the Camelot chart, a 6% increase (1-semitone) is 7 places clock-wise. Cm 05A Dbm 12A Dm 07A Ebm 02A Em 09A Fm 04A Gbm 11A Gm 06A Abm 01A Am 08A Bbm 03A Bm 10A
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Ashley M
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There seems to be a hell of a lot of tracks in 8A (A minor) in my collection (in all generes). This would be a good place (8A) as a mid point to a set I find you can easily work your way into it & out of it again in. Will that energy boost work the same the otherway around minus 7 camelot steps (or will that have the opposite effect - a sort of downer) Plus whats it like when using the kills to swap bass lines does it work well or best sticking to the beat sections its just that I don't like to plan things too much it can sound a bit robotic / computerised I do phrase it up though.
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Ashley, I missed your question before: You're right, mixing -7 on the Camelot wheel has a downer effect. Same thing with -2.
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MikeVenezia
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Hi ashley, "There seems to be a hell of a lot of tracks in 8A (A minor) in my collection (in all generes)." Wanna know why? 'A minor' is all of the white keys on the piano! Very easy key to write/play in. It's the "same" (actually called the 'relative') key as 'C major', you might notice. But as was mentioned by someone earlier, minor keys are far more prominent in dance music... Technically, the version of the key of A minor that has all of the white keys in it is actually the 'natural' minor version of the key, as there are actually 3 main minor scales for every minor key, but as I'm typing this I realize this might be too much theory for this discussion board.
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Mike, there is no such thing as "too much theory". Many DJs here produce as well (4 Strings, Shane 54, and many others). Any production/composition tips are very useful.
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MikeVenezia
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Thanks! I barely ever post on these forum things. Glad I could help! OH, also - a more common musical (slang) term for an "energy boost" is a "gear shift" - as if a truck's stick shift was shifted to give it more boost, so to speak. It's done a lot at the end of pop tunes to maintain/add excitement - a band will repeat a chorus but raise it up a half or whole step...
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Ashley M
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It does seem as though the minor keys give a more excited upbeat sound to a track & major keys a more deeper sound.
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Theoretically, Major keys should have a happy feeling, upbeat feeling. Minor keys are supposed to be sad and nostalgic. Couple of examples: Eric Prydz - Call On Me (Major), Sasha - Xpander (Minor).
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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I bet this topic will get to 1000 DJ participations soon :)
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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By the way, we will post a new "How To" topic soon. The subject is how to label your CDs for harmonic mixing.
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erik prestinary
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hello when you reach for example 12A (D flat ) you will then jump to what ? 2A? thanks
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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12A > 2A is correct. That's how we would do it.
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DJ Playboy
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hi guys i m new to this forum , also an amateur dj . i want to buy this mixed in key . looks like it would help me at present i m using Denon 1000's . i m mixing very well but not harmonic mixing . i mix only according to the Bpm count . if i play one song on 130 bpm 8B and the other song of (125 bpm) with the same key i increase the tempo by +5 , the key changes.
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DSP420
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didnt u say to go up one hour or go down one hour? or u can go up 2 hours also? and what else can we doo???
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Nem
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Hi guys, I'm new to this forum but definately not to HM. Whilst I wasn't the first to mention HM on tranceaddict.com, I did start the main thread for this. Basically I have been Harmonic Mixing for as long as I have been a DJ which is a long time. This seems like a cool forum with people who are genuinely interested in what I consider pretty much the only way to mix. People often tend to believe that Harmonic Mixing is mixing by numbers especially when using the camelot system, but that is a pretty ignorant view to have as technically all music is mathematical and is for the want of a better expression, making noise by numbers. So what of creating energy in a mix. Well there are plenty of ways you can add a bit of drama. This isn't soley done by key alone as the music itself plays an integral part (Ok captain obvious statement of the day). I also use a plus or minus 4 on the Camelot scale. They don't always work so you have to know your music before doing this but this can also create some extra drama. Another theory on what works etc is to disect the components in the root chord of a track and you will often find other combinations that you can mix to a greater or lesser degree. For example if you switch basslines on a mix from 6A to 3A you generate a nice lift but not as extreme as if you went from 6A to 1A. Try it. You will also find some tracks that seem to break the rules, and that's normal too. Keep in mind that the frequencies that create the nastiest clash are the low to low mid frequencies (i.e. bass) so it's always worth using the EQ effectively and in an intelligent way. The low frequencies are also more prone to phase cancellation so it's always a good idea to control the bottom end of the mix. Anyways, nice to see people who like HM as much as I do. All the best Nem www.myspace.com/nemster44
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Hi Nem, Welcome to the forum. Can we create a separate topic from your post so more people can read it? You gave very good advice. Thanks, Yakov
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Rocdollar
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It is important to note that +1 semitone is the most dissonant key relationship. Together they will clash horrendously so make sure to cut one out just before the new one drops in and do not be tempted to blend melodies - as it will not work! I find melodic blends or cutting between 2 tracks tend to work best when the tunes are in the same key or have a similar key signature (e.g relative, 1/5th or 1/4 away).
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oldaq
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Yakov, Im a new and greatfull customer for the MIK. It's simply a great tool for Djs. It makes it a LOT easier! To my question: Im getting a lot of major keys (B's) for house songs, is this normal? Especially for the electro house ones. Just asking since you said that most of dance music are made in minor keys. Example: Joy Marquez - Frozen (funckeletro mix) Fedde Le Grand - Just Trippin (original mix) Thanks for the help! oldaq
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Hi, Sure, this is normal. Practically all New York House music is in Major key. Junior Vasquez, Peter Rauhofer and other DJs love using it for that dramatic effect. Electro is no different. You will find songs in both Major and Minor key, and it just depends on the producer what they chose to use. In fact, my friend Nzinga is currently composing a nice House music tune in Major key, and I am producing it.
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GeoffreyChaucer
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Might sound weird, but with some sort of tone adjustment in electronic music production, it sounds like certain tracks are almost playing between the minor and the major (For example playing the C tertian chord as C, D# + 1/4 Step, and G). Is this possible? Can't think of any examples of the top of my head, but some tracks boggle my mind. Also it is important to note that due to some production methods, certain tracks are naturally in between certain keys at 0 and must have their pitch adjusted accordingly so as to avoid being "between" to keys. Don't know how keying software reacts to these...but I do it all manually anyhow.
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DJ Sizeup
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Hi Yakov - I just wanted to clarify: Ex: you're in 8A -7A, 8A,8B, and 9A are all compatible (I got that part) -3A (+ 1 semitone / up 7) and 10A (+ 2 semitones / up 2) would be 'energy boosting' -1A (- 1 semitone / -7) and 6A (-2 semitones / -2) would slow the dance floor down I know you said that - 1 semitone (1A) or - 2 semitones (6A) are NOT good choices, so should we as a rule of thumb avoid these at all costs or only use them to slow the floor down? My opinion is that they work sometimes but I just wanted to clarify. So to wrap it up... if you're in 8A, would the compatible choices be 7A,8A,8B,9A,10A, 3A, but absolutely NOT 6A, and 1A?
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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You are correct. As a general rule, what you wrote applies to most mixes. One thing to keep in mind is that music is "human" and doesn't always follow the rules of music theory and mathematics. There are some songs that don't fit into the rules described above. For example, mixing +2 might not always result in an energy boost between all 8A and 10A songs. To figure out what works best, try a few mixes and remember which ones sounded great. We encourage a lot of experimentation because you'll get the best results if you know your music inside out.
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DJ Sizeup
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Sorry Yakov one more question: if you're in 10A / 10B for example going into 5A or 5B, do you consider that +7 (energy boost) or -5 (not compatible)? Is there any rule of thumb here? Thanks again!
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Hi, The easiest way to visualize "energy boost" is to look at the piano keyboard. B and C are adjacent keys. If you're in B, and you go up one semitone, you'll be in C. That's the main concept behind "energy boost" mixing. You are moving right on the piano keyboard to play a higher-pitched melody. In essence, -5 and +7 are the same thing. +7 is easier to remember because + indicates "boost". -7 is easier to remember because - indicates "drop". It's just makes it easier to remember. In summary, -5 and +7 give you the same result.
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Dj Justin Carr
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Very good topic. Nice read. I'm still enjoying MIK as an essential part of my sessions. Since reading this topic when it first started, I have actually been utilizing the +2 semitone mixes with a lot of success. Cheers!
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DJ D-Flux
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I need some help understanding the energy between octave's ... I am having an argument with a friend that for example you want to add some more energy to your mix you put your next tune 2 semitones up (let's take this method) so I am having a tune on deck A with a key of B minor OK ? then the next track in deck B should be C# minor (+2 semitones) OK ... my question is : if that tune from deck A witch is in B minor is in the octave C3 (the center one on a piano), does it make a difference in energy if the track in deck B, witch is in the key of C# minor, belongs to octave C4 or C3 ? IMO it does make a difference cause the higher you go with the semitones the more energy it seems you pick so logical is the same way with the octave's no ? or I'm I wrong ?
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Octaves do make a difference. The idea behind "Energy Boost" is to go from lower notes to higher notes on the piano. You are correct that if you have a song in C3 and you're energy boosting into D3, the effect will be less audible than energy boosting into D4. The higher the notes, the more audible the effect. This technique may not work is if you're going from C3 to D2, but it's rare that this would be the case. It won't sound terrible, but you just wouldn't get the "boost" effect. Our guideline for "energy boost" is that your incoming song should be in a higher, or same octave as your original song.
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DJ D-Flux
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yea man thats what I was thinking thx a lot for the confirmation :)
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electroanarc
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Hi All, You will have to excuse me as I am fairly new to MIK and am not musically trained at all. I am having difficulty understanding the +/- 6% pitch concept. I would like to illustrate my question with this example: If I am playing a set at 128bpm, and I have a song which is analysed as 130bpm - 7A, does this mean then that when I slow down this song from 130bpm to 128bpm, it is not in 7A anymore? Thanks in advance. A. Don't worry about this, I found a prior post that answered my question :-)
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Ashley M
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I Find some energy boost mixes sound great when a track is pitched back -7 steps from its normal key then mixed with a track in its normal key (the same key as it should be in when played normally). I.E : 2 tracks in 8A but one has to be pitched back more than 3.00 % in tempo to fit into the mix and drops 7 steps (3A), the next track doesn't need that much altering and stays at 8A but its still +7 steps up and creates a boost in the same way.
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DJ_NoahR
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NOTE: Nevermind, I found the answer to this in another thread in this wonderful forum. Thanks in advance and don't bother replying! Best, Noah **************** Hi All, I'm a DJ with over 10 years experience in house, techno, and world beat, but very little music theory background. I just downloaded MIK and have to say I love it! Tons of thanks to the MIK team... My question: You recommend never switching between "majors" and "minors" while also switching keys, such as 9A to 10B. Sometimes I find that mixing songs between major and minor keys works well though, even though you recommend against it. For example moving in an "energy boost" from 8A to 10B. I wonder how important it is to stick to the major/minor rule all the time? Can mixing major and minors while switching keys add a bit to the "funk factor" since everything isn't in it's right place? It's a little dirty and edgy and off, yet all works out in the blend? Or am I just crazy here and should really stick to traditional music theory? Thanks again for everyone's thoughts! Best, Noah
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dj saex
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Hi guys, im a beginner dj and trying to experiment. i heard about harmonic mixing and thought nothing of it. found out MIK today just browsing through the net. this whole theory seems quite amazing. is HM a fairly unknown technique? i have read this thread and a lot of people are saying that most of their libraries are 8A code. i just analysed a bit of mine and i have got a lot in 8A, however, i still have plenty in every other code. im into DNB, does HM work for this genre? most people here seem to be talking about house. also another question, i use pioneer cdj 800s and i use the MASTER TEMPO function. does that effectively ALWAYS keep any song in the SAME key no matter how much i pitch adjust? for example, i slow down an 8A song by 6% with master tempo ON, the key will remain 8A? thanks guys, help is appreciated keep up the good work
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rhythmunderground
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im into DNB, does HM work for this genre? most people here seem to be talking about house. it should work also another question, i use pioneer cdj 800s and i use the MASTER TEMPO function. does that effectively ALWAYS keep any song in the SAME key no matter how much i pitch adjust? yes, it will for example, i slow down an 8A song by 6% with master tempo ON, the key will remain 8A? yes
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Dj harmonic
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Sorry i'm a bit lost, first the guide says i can only mix +1 or -1... now i read that i can also mix +2 or -2 and it is ok? i can even mix +7 or -7? hmm sorry got confused
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Noc 2
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hey been using MIK for a while and i'm well pleased with it. I was just wondering what exactly is modulation mixing?
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Hippie
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Sorry if I missed it in someone's post (posted in another topic and found same mention elsewhere) but on turntables to get to the next semitone in either direction is 4+ or 4-. thats about a 1/16 of an inch pass 4 on your turntables slide.
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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hey been using MIK for a while and i'm well pleased with it. I was just wondering what exactly is modulation mixing? Sorry about not catching this earlier. Modulation mixing is a type of mixing where you change keys without using Camelot Easymix method. Instead of mixing -1, 0, +1, you may mix +2, -2, +7, -7, stay in the same root note, but change letter, etc. Energy boost mixing is an example of modulation mixing.
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Sorry i'm a bit lost, first the guide says i can only mix +1 or -1... now i read that i can also mix +2 or -2 and it is ok? i can even mix +7 or -7? hmm sorry got confused Mixing +2 raises the energy a lot of the time. Mixing -2 lowers the energy, so we suggest that DJs avoid this mix. Mixing +7 raises the energy, but it causes a massive key-clash -- best to avoid unless you're mixing drums only.
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djfrequency
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Hello there I have been working with MIK myself now for some time and yes i do agree with you that going between a minor and major ie 8A - 10B can at times sound very good together and this is my take on it.... If at the end of the day it sounds good... Good!! We are djs who are in the position to use our ears to distinguish what sounds good and what doesnt so a person jus uses MIK as a tool to build the foundation for his sets and experiments and plays with it from there experimenting as he sees fit.. Dunno jus my take on it.. Happy spinnin!
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Ashley M
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best to just make a note of those indifferent key codes that worked well together before, they might again but its not for sure they always will.
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Jordan Waeles
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Thanks for the tip, I tried it yesterday at a gig and it went really good, it really helped me building up a euphoric ambiance!
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Free4
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Great thread guys. I've been mixing a while and never really got into the technicalities of what I was doing upto about a year ago. One of the things I notice is there are alot of DJ's that build atmospheres and drop them but theres only one or two that neutralise it throughout a night. I think one of the most important things with Harmonic mixing, is to make sure that you interdisperse neutralizing tracks through out a mix. Its important as it creates a fresher atmosphere to go bouncing off in different directions or to finish a night on. To much up and down or constant upping a crowd can build alot of tension, (euphoric or otherwise). All that energy is great but with many people in different states you have to have a way to disperse that energy. Else you do see the effects of it by the end of the night. I keep an eye out for tracks that blend nicely usually in the same key that complement each other but when you leave the first the effect is lifting but refreshing at the same time. A current example I use at the moment is:- Guy Gerber's - Stoppage Time - Max Graham Sidechain Mix (massive tune ) into Kirk Degiorgio, Esoterik - Starwaves - Jimpster Remix
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dj feio
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Hi Yakov,first of all tks a lot for you support the artists with this magic key,I really really appreciate your system,but I have a question for you... I play tunes in between 139/40 to 144/45 and the beat for me work with 0.7 up or down(like -0.7 or +0.7) to change the bpm of the tune to mix,for exemple,if Im playing one tune in the cdj in 140 and the next tune,the original bpm is 142,so,or I put less -14.0 to arrive in 140 to mix,or the tune that is in the cdj that I plaing ,I need to up + 14.0,soooooooo the question is... HOW I KNOW ABOUT IF THE HARMONY NOTES IN BETWEEN THE TUNES ARE CORRECTLY,A MEAN,HOW I KNOW IF THE SOUNDS ARE IN THE SAME HARMONY ??? I CAN USE THE SAME SEQUENCE LIKE YOU TEACH IN YOUR SYSTEM,LIKE ,2A / 3A / 3B / 4A /3A /4B...JUST FOR EXEMPLE.OR I NEED TO DO THE OUTHER CALCULATION FOR THIS SITUATION. Man in advance tks a lot for your support,and if you have time check my music in www.myspace.com/djfeio Bye dj feio
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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HOW I KNOW ABOUT IF THE HARMONY NOTES IN BETWEEN THE TUNES ARE CORRECTLY,A MEAN,HOW I KNOW IF THE SOUNDS ARE IN THE SAME HARMONY ??? Check out this topic for more info: http://community.mixedinkey.com/Topic.aspx?ID=1767 In summary, you're mixing harmonically if you use Master Tempo or the difference between two song BPMs is less than 3%.
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dj feio
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Man tks a lot for your support... dj feio
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michael3771
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Just purchased the Mixed-In-Key and it works perfect around 9, 10, 11 – but the tracks in some other keys are totally off – I don't even get them close to match, like keys 1 and 2 for example. What I did was, that I dropped my whole folder (around 250 tracks) in the program at once and analyzed them all together. Do you think this was to much to handle or what could went wrong? The latest Traktor in combination with the latest Apple Software is giving me also hard times, the sync didn't work and I changed the preferences, now it works, but like I mentioned earlier, just for some tracks – the rest is so off ... Any ideas, advise???
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Dear Michael, Mixed In Key should work the same on any computer, so it's not your fault. It may be that the music you're analyzing in keys 1 and 2 is heavily modulated and doesn't fit any particular key. Will you please email me at yakov@mixedinkey.com and give me some track names as examples?
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dj feio
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Yakov my friend,listen this... I have MAC BOOK PRO ,so your program I instaled there,well when I PUT ONE CD STRAIGHT TO THE MIK HE ANALYSE AND GAVE ME ONE NOTE,BUT IF I COPY THE TUNE FOR MY DESK AND AFTER I PUT IN THE MIK HE GAVE ME OUTHER NOTE,for exemple: Same tune I have 9A when I put from my desk to the MIK,and 12B from the all cd that I put straight in the MIK,sooooo why like this ??? how is the correctly prosses for the MIK read(analyse) the note from the tune ??? In advancd tks one more time. feio
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dj feio
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Yakov Im so very sorry to give you a lot of trouble with my kid problem,sooooo I know now whats happen... All the music when I delete in the ANALYZE,he come to the BROWSE COLLECTION,and when I analyze one cd that have the same name like TRACK 1 and outher cd with TRACK 1 too,automaticly the MIK read the tune that are in the BROWSE,so now I delete boths and everything work good. Man sorry. feio
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Hi guys, 9A and 12B are compatible keys -- sometimes it's hard for people and software to decide which one is correct. Depending on the method that you used to rip the CD, it may add slight artifacts that change the key to Minor, or vice versa. If the result is right on the border between them, both keys are correct. In our next version, we'll display both keys if they fit the song perfectly. Also, I have one request: Let's use this topic for "energy boost" discussion only. If you have a support question, please contact us at contact@mixedinkey.com and we'll help right away. Otherwise, please start a new topic separate from this one. -Yakov
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DJ Adrian
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Hi Hyperion - In response to "For example, how do you effectively slow the dance floor down if your crowd as been dancing manically for a couple of hours?" Try rhythmic variations. One of the best is half-timing. Or, alternately, double-timing. Really creates the "reset" you are looking for. You will even find other mathematical relationships that exist beyond half & double timing that you wouldn't expect to work but do. Good luck! Adrian
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Jo[h]n Squared
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Hello, I've just bought the software and am getting to grips with it... Is it preferable to keep moving clockwise? It just seems natural to me after reading the tutorial and trying out a few mixes - or is it not a question of this. Had some exceptional results so far with progressive house tunes! The energy boost thing...going from 2A to 9A is said to achieve that, from 9A could I go to 4A and then 11A? does it continue that way? Cheers John.
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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Is it preferable to keep moving clockwise? It just seems natural to me after reading the tutorial and trying out a few mixes - or is it not a question of this. Clockwise and counter-clockwise are both possible. I've always liked moving clock-wise, but it's a personal preference because of specific music that I play in my favorite sequence. Had some exceptional results so far with progressive house tunes! Great! Welcome aboard :) The energy boost thing...going from 2A to 9A is said to achieve that, from 9A could I go to 4A and then 11A? does it continue that way? Yes, it works exactly as you described. However, it may cause a very noticable key clash. If you go +2 instead of +7, the clash will be less noticable, but the energy mix will be even better. Give it a try, go from 9A to 11A, then to 1A, then to 3A, etc.
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Camelot Sound
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We have just keyed a large batch of psy-trance and discovered that key detection software is MORE accurate with this style than with other genres. This is likely due the fact that many tracks use a single bass tone with virtually zero changes over the length of each track. These results suggest that modulation mixes (going up +2 or +7 keycodes to "boost" energy levels) should be especially effective with psy-trance as long as you do NOT overlay bass notes. Their lack of strong melody also suggests that many of them can be easily mixed as either major or minor keys. For example, a non-melodic psy-trance track with a strong bass tone in "A" could be keyed equally well as an A-Minor (8A) or A-Major (11B). It could be harmonically mixed with other tracks between 7-9 or tracks between 10-12. You could make modulation mixes as an 8A to 10A or 3A. You could make modulation mixes as an 11B to 1B or 6B.
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FractalGee
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@Camelotsound awesome, I spin only psy and goa trance (the goa tracks have more likelihood of having a varied bassline and more melodic btw, I consider them other side of the coin to psytrance) and some psyprog (also very likely to have more than one main bassnote). Have been working with major to minor and the 2 step and 7 step on the Cameot wheel. Works very well indeed. Did a mix with tracks from 1997 (mostly goa) and came out exceptionally well. I do disagree that one shouldn't overlay bassnotes though, can work well if one uses the major/minor move, and also if it is 2 steps away on the wheel in my humble opinion. But yes, easy to clash on those if one isn't careful.... Slowly keying all the stuff I have been collecting since 1995 ;) as there are around 1K CDs to slog through o_O
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FractalGee
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@Camelot Sound have a list of psytrance analyzed? ;)
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DJ Joey C
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("Hi Yakov - I just wanted to clarify: Ex: you're in 8A -7A, 8A,8B, and 9A are all compatible (I got that part) -3A (+ 1 semitone / up 7) and 10A (+ 2 semitones / up 2) would be 'energy boosting' -1A (- 1 semitone / -7) and 6A (-2 semitones / -2) would slow the dance floor down I know you said that - 1 semitone (1A) or - 2 semitones (6A) are NOT good choices, so should we as a rule of thumb avoid these at all costs or only use them to slow the floor down? My opinion is that they work sometimes but I just wanted to clarify. So to wrap it up... if you're in 8A, would the compatible choices be 7A,8A,8B,9A,10A, 3A, but absolutely NOT 6A, and 1A? ") Is 8B the only B that is compatible to 8A then?
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Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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So to wrap it up... if you're in 8A, would the compatible choices be 7A,8A,8B,9A,10A, 3A, but absolutely NOT 6A, and 1A? ") Correct. If your original song is 8A, possible options are:
  • 8A (same key) will be the most harmonic (and perfect for mashups)
  • 7A, 8B, 9A are compatible keys for smooth mixing
  • 10A and 3A are modulation mixes (mix quickly to avoid a key clash)
    • If you can do it quickly, you can also mix from 8A to 11B (A Minor to A Major). It's called an Absolute Major mix. It key clashes like crazy, but it works with certain ambient and atmospheric music.
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    DJ D-Flux
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    @Camelot Sound really ? cause I have some psy tracks and mixed in key doidnt want to analyze them event with prayers :) soo ... anyway I think MIK works very well with trance music... I tested it and makes wonders
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    Ashley M
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    Well I find with version 3. +2 step modulation mixes, basslines seem to still fit hand in glove especially within Trance. As I like to blend, this is why I stick to +2 step modulation where I can.
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    e-Legal
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    thanks for all the great information guys you need to all remember the best part of djing is experimenting different mixes and different mashes... this amazing software shouldnt limit you guys of your creativity, it should just improve your mixes and help you mix in key without even needing to fully learn all the keys... the creativity part is up to you...
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Yes, e-Legal is absolutely right. I've said this before, but I don't mind saying it again. Mixed In Key is here to help you make decisions, not make them for you
    ; )
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    leftydc
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    Hey! but does it necesarily change the key? for insance when i use Mixmeister for mixin and mashing suposebly still should be in same key, mabe im just too strongly believenig what mixmeister said about their program that it dosnt change key when u change the BPM. well anyway i cannot hear the difference when i let the bpm go upword from example 128 to 130 or bit more or less, Sorry if its little bit offtopic, im reading the page stil rite now so i thought to ask before ill forget. thanx
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    Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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    Hi, As long as the BPM change is under 3%, your tunes will sound great together. If you use Master Tempo (also known as Key Lock), you can change tempo up to 6-7% without hearing the key change.
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    e-Legal
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    is there something the guru's dont know ? do you play in any clubs yakov, produce?
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    Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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    Hi, I've had great club residences in Washington DC. I am still young but I started early, and got to play along great names from our DJ community. I learned most of my techniques from DJ Prince and Mark Davis (Camelot Sound). Both of them are wizards at harmonic mixing. I am just a student :)
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    psy
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    hi just wondering if i go up 2 but it is from say 12a to 2a will this work as an upper effect or downer just wonderin because 2 clockwise from 12 on the scale is 2 so this would suggest upper but 2 is lower than 12 on the scale so this would suggest downer. cheers
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    Spiral
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    HI !! : ) I BOUGTH the software and DOES ANYONE KNOW = ? why does nothing appears when i click on the '''''Read Tutorial option'''''''' !! i want to understand the program... TKS !!
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    if i go up 2 but it is from say 12a to 2a will this work as an upper effect or downer You are still going up one whole step in notation, from D-flat to E-flat, so no matter where you are on the Camelot Wheel you will always get the energy boost effect. I bought the software and does anyone know why nothing appears when i click on the '''''Read Tutorial option''''''''? I'm not sure why this would happen, but I've emailed you screenshots of the tutorial until we can figure out what went wrong. Which version did you purchase, and what type of computer are you on?
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    psy
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    cheers chad much appreciated
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    nusse2000
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    Hey! Im sorry about this but i want to make this clear once and for all for me.... Say youre in 1A... you can stay in 1A... or go to 12A, 2A, or 1B for a energy boost you go to 3A(small boost) or 8A(big boost) If you want to "energy drain" ;) you go to 11A(small drain) or 6A(big drain) Correct? Also... I'd like to know how much more accurate as to finding the right key mixedinkey is than other products such as mixmeister... at what %-rate accurate is mixedinkey? BR
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    for a energy boost you go to 3A(small boost) or 8A(big boost) If you want to "energy drain" ;) you go to 11A(small drain) or 6A(big drain) Correct? Not quite. You have to look at which keys the numbers represent. So for your example you are starting in 1A, which is A-flat minor. Jumping to 3A gives you B-flat minor, which is a whole step higher than 1A. Jumping to 8A gives you A-minor, which is only a half-step higher than your original key of A-flat minor. Just reverse your big and small boosts/drains and you've got it : ) Also... I'd like to know how much more accurate as to finding the right key mixedinkey is than other products such as mixmeister... at what %-rate accurate is mixedinkey? We don't want to get into an "Our program is more accurate than yours!" "No its not!" type of argument, so for the record I'll just say that Mixed In Key is 90-95% accurate. Cheers!
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    nusse2000
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    Ohh Then i get it! Nice! Thank you for taking the time to explain. One more question now that I figured out what steps i can take to make my mixes more harmonic. What harmonic steps will clash the most/least in general?
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    Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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    Staying in the same key will clash the least. Mixing -1, +1, and changing the letter (like 5A > 5B, or 10B > 10A) will clash the least. Mixing +7 (like 1A to 8A) or -7 (12A to 5A) will clash the most.
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    nusse2000
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    and +/- 2 camelot steps will clash more or less than +/-1 camelot step?
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Hi nusse2000, I don't think that it is so much of an issue of clashing as it is a change in key. Try not to read too much into your key results. Some tracks still might not mix together, due to vibe, rhythm, etc. We're not trying to take the thinking out of DJing. You will still need an ear for what goes together. Mixed In Key is just here to help you make that decision. You're going to have to experiment and see what works for you : )
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    Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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    To my ears, +2/-2 clashes less than +1/-1. By definition, +1/-1 is the most jarring mix possible.
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    nusse2000
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    Chad and Yakov! Thank you for enduring my questions! :P I know it might sound a little like im reading my way through djing... The truth is... well... Up to this point i never gave harmonies or keys a chance because it all felt like it was too advanced for me. (the beatmatching was hard enough :P ) So until now ive tried to just listen and feel my way through sets. Thats why Im curious. Im trying to figure out the logics behind harmonic mixing and then applying my taste and my feeling in to my sets =) I do understand your point Chad and I know there is much more to djing than just keycodes ;) And ofcourse questions :P (wouldnt be a nusse-post without questions) Still dont quite get it.... ------------------------------------------------------ Yakov (Mixed In Key) 01-23-2008 " Staying in the same key will clash the least. Mixing -1, +1, and changing the letter (like 5A > 5B, or 10B > 10A) will clash the least. Mixing +7 (like 1A to 8A) or -7 (12A to 5A) will clash the most. " ------------------------------------------------------ Yakov (Mixed In Key) 01-24-2008 "To my ears, +2/-2 clashes less than +1/-1. By definition, +1/-1 is the most jarring mix possible." ------------------------------------------------------ Maybe I just dont understand english that good but... Clashing = Jarring right??? Once and for all... on a scale beginning with clashing least: 1. No camelot step (Staying in the same camelot step) 2. +2 or -2 camelot hours 3. +1, -1 camelot hours or changing A/B 4. +7 or -7 camelot hours is this right? also... What do you do when a tune turns out with 2 differend keys in MIK? Can i trust both? BR /Nusse
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Hi nusse, I was confused by Yakov's response as well. Care to elaborate for us? As far as dual key tracks go, both should work well. We put this feature in for tracks that are not clearly in one key, so we report both keys to give you more options.
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    Yakov (Mixed In Key)
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    Hi, Sure, I am glad to elaborate. Here are the best harmonic mixing methods: 1) The best mix requires you to stay in the same keycode. For example, mix from 10A to 10A. It will be perfect every time. 2) Mixing -1 or +1 from your current keycode. For example, 10A can go to 9A or 11A. This is how DJs move around the Camelot circle for smooth harmonic mixing. 3) Changing the letter: For example, 10A to 10B, or vice versa. This is how you can go from inner circle to outer circle on the Camelot wheel. In music theory, it means you're mixing into the Relative Major, or Relative Minor keys. It's a smooth mix as well. Modulation mixing Modulation mixing creates an interesting effect on the dance floor. For example, you can raise and lower the energy by playing a specific sequence of keys. You should never overlay two tracks using modulation mixing. Only quick cuts will sound good. Here are some modulation mixes: 4) Mixing +2 from your original keycode. For example, 10A to 12A. Great mix. 5) Mixing -2 from your original keycode. For example, 10A to 8A. This lowers the energy and cools off the dance floor (to a point that people might stop dancing). Not advisable. 6) Mixing from absolute Minor to absolute Major (like 10A to 1B, or vice versa). This causes a pretty bad key clash, but it's an interesting transition. 7) Mixing +7 (for example, 10A to 5A). This mix clashes horribly. It's the "little brother" of the Energy Boost mix, but I prefer not to use it. +2 sounds better than +7. 8) Mixing -7 (for example, 10A to 3A). This mix clashes badly as well, plus it lowers the energy. Guaranteed way to make people stop dancing and go home. My favorite methods are #1 through #4. For the sake of learning, try #5 - #7. Avoid method #8 because mixing -7 is bad for business. In summary, modulation mixing will always key clash. If you use this technique, you are looking to create a "special effect" on the dance floor such as raising or lowering the energy. It's a good technique to use in between smooth mixing provided by methods #1 through #4.
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    nusse2000
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    Hey! Thank you for that one! Lovely! How do you update your MIK? does it update itself? links? BR /Nusse
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Hi nusse2000, You should get an update pop-up window when one is available upon launching the program. Version 3.1 for Mac should be released soon. Cheers, Chad
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    voyager
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    sander kleinenberg is also the king of this trick... as it works very well with his sound... :)
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    Scum
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    I have purchased mixed in key and I'm well pleased with it coz it simplifies my life no end. The only thing that I feel needs to be brought up is using mixers fx. The latest groups of mixers use some pretty good detunable fx, so this seems like a sensible thing to talk about on this site coz its stating mixing secrets and I've learned loads since I found it. Without wanting to tick Allen and Heath off I'm gonna point out that the djm800 from Pioneer also has a harmonic mixing function on it allowing you to lock to semitones and also shift semitones manually. I'm no expert dj but it seems to me that these functions are also under the rules of harmony and the fx when the harmonic rules are applied have a bearing on how to create a correct sounding mix. I am reading all the info on this site and wondering how to throw in tunes that are under normal circumstances not mixable because common sense tells me that if I cut this tune with that one mixed in key says that I'll be out by point two of a bpm or somthing like that so I was wondering what mixed in key thought about ways to use mixers like the djm800 to adjust a tracks key and make a normally unmixable track mixable and rules of thumb on messing around with fx that cause pitch shift that djs actually use in their sets.
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    Scum
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    Coz I have djm800 (lucky me!) and I'm thinking to work out where all the keys are from the camelot scale and mark up where they are on a sticker and put it round the cfx rotary pot so I can tune in detuned records. If this turns out to be practical I think that it might just be the best thing since sliced bread for the beginner dj coz you have the tools to mix spot on. Also the robot effect could do with a rule or two about shifting a key like what percentage gives off a key kick up or down.
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Hi Scum, I haven't had a chance to personally test out the djm800, but if you know what key you are in, what key you need, and how many semitones it's going to take to get it there, then you should be in business. I wouldn't count on this being a miracle solution quite yet, as pitch-shifting more than a semi-tones can leave artifacts. Again, I haven't tested this personally, just what I've heard. Cheers, Chad
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    Neil C-Word
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    Another little point which I noticed on saturday night regarding effects. I'd really like someone to test this for me as I dont have a DJM at home. when using the echo effect. I often turn the time button way down between 1 and 12 to get a kind of robotic effect over the track.(normally it sits around 100 to 400 for house depending on how many beat repeats you want.)´If you turn it way down it give a proper nasty effect. I've often found that this works better on different numbers for different tracks. I was fiddling about on saturday and often found that whatever number on the camelot scale I was in, worked better for that song. This just might have been a fluke or the tequila talking but I'd love for someone to check it out for me. I would try it this weekend coming but we're using an A&H (better for a big club) so in conclusion, when making the echo scream at a close to 1 time setting, does setting the time to the number on the camelot system make it sound better? Do you understand what I mean? Please try.... xxx
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    so in conclusion, when making the echo scream at a close to 1 time setting, does setting the time to the number on the camelot system make it sound better? Hmmm, you might be on to something. Here's something else that could be fun to try: Divide your age by the Camelot number of your favorite song. Then look at the letter of the alphabet that correlates with this number-1 for A, 2 for B, 3 for C, etc. This will be the first letter of the name of your one true love. just playin with ya, I couldn't help myself ; )
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    Tuur
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    Hehehe...
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    DJ Baruch
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    Guys it took me 7 years to say wow i am a dj now you still need good DJ skills. Yakov you rock any ways. Check out www.surroundsounddj.com the best dj service in Toronto, Canada
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    caglar
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    well this is first message by me and im not sure it posted b4...the thing that im gonna say its an advice and helper for the ppl like me who dont speak-understand english very well... can someone add an examples ? like 2a-2b? i mean hm like 20 secs demo.. than i can realize what u guys exatly say? (i guess first i need to know melodies:D) and also u can separete this examples to genrees..trance house etc...i believe it works.. thanks caglar..
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    KrissO
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    Seems like you never got any help caglar. Anyway, I made two samples for you to understand. The main tune is called "The Longest Road", the other tune mixing in is called "Lonely" In this example, The Longest Road is 2A and Lonely is 2B. http://www.dump.no/files/c83fc71b98d2/2A-2B__longest_road-lonely.mp3 After 15 seconds Lonely comes in. As you can hear, they mix perfectly! You could make a mashup of these two. Here is an example with the same tracks, but they are not in the same key. http://www.dump.no/files/c83fc71b98d2/2A-9B__longest_road-lonely.mp3 After 15 seconds the other tunes comes in. As you can hear, they do NOT mix perfectly. This is because Lonely now has the key 9B. On the camelot, 2A and 9B are 7 steps from each other. Here is a last example. http://www.dump.no/files/c83fc71b98d2/2A-2B-9B__longest_road-lonely.mp3 After 30 seconds you can clearly hear that Lonely changes from 2B to 9B. The Longest Road is still in 2A. When the key changes, it sounds like an "energy boost", but it also clashes badly.
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Thanks for posting those KrissO, good job. Sorry for missing your post caglar, we try to respond to everyone who asks for assistance. Best, Chad
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    Ashley M
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    I have decided to call modulation & boost mixing 'Adverse Harmonic mixing' for myself as its not exactly harmonic in a sense. Well you know what I mean anyway.
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    DJ RodZ
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    Question - Is it a energy booster mix if you go +2 or +7 and change letter? Ex. 2A -> 4B or 2A -> 9B? Thanks!
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    KrissO
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    I will leave that to the experts, but since 4A / 4B and 9A / 9B are compitable... the energy boost should have the same effect to either letter?
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    Noc 2
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    When going from minor to absolute major (ie. 1A to 4B) you say this is a pretty big clash but i don't think so well not with some tracks. Anyway the question i wanted to ask is when you have gone from 1A to 4B what keys can you go to then. Apart from 5B,6B,3B, 4A, 11B, 2B. Can you do as you did before but go the opposite way ie. from 4B to 7A or does it have to be 1a?
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Try it and see. If it works for you and your tracks, then go for it!
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    DJ RodZ
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    I never got an answer from one of the Mixed In Key guys on this question - Is it a energy booster mix if you go +2 or +7 and change letter? Ex. 2A -> 4B or 2A -> 9B? Any help is appreciated.
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    I wouldn't recommend switching letters for an energy boost mix, but it could work. We encourage creativity and experimentation with our software. Thanks, Chad
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    d1gi
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    KrissO: when you posted this example: http://www.dump.no/files/c83fc71b98d2/2A-2B-9B__longest_road-lonely.mp3 What made the key / pitch drastically change like that so that it sounded off? I'm definitely new to HM, but been mixing records for quite a while now and just getting more into music theory. I taught myself everything I know with no real life help really.. so my music theory isnt that great. Also, i dont understand what people were saying about pitch changing key. Currently I'm using traktor scratch via my laptop, running with 2 technic 1200's as external controllers.. are you saying that when i change the pitch on the decks.. that it changes the key of the tracks? if so.. how can i avoid this.. since i would like to continue harmonic mixing, but dont want to have to re-figure out all the keys in my head when changing the pitch to beatmatch? or am i just confused here! thanks for the help... this forum is great.. and bringing one up from the dead on this post!
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Traktor has a feature called Key Lock, which allows you to change the tempo of a track without changing it's key. Just press the key button right underneath the pitch slider. Cheers, Chad
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    d1gi
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    Cool yeah, actually noticed that yesterday when i looked into the program more, and more about 'keys' and such. Weird thing is.. when i press the keylock.. it seems like it makes the songs sound weird.. it almost seems like they have a delay / echo or something strange. Maybe I will try to post up some sound files later so that you can see what i mean.
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Hi, Yeah, there are different settings. I don't use Traktor a lot, but I know one of Native's DJ product specialists, I'll look into it and check with him, and get you squared away!
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Hello, Just got in touch with him, he says to go into the preferences menu, then unfold the Deck Preferences, and click on 'Sound & Mixer.' Under Time Stretch Quality, choose PSOLA. If you have a really fast computer or are working with accapellas, then he says you can switch to the Phase Vocoder setting, but you shouldn't need that. Best, Chad
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    Playto
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    Hey, I need some help moving from major keys to minor keys and vice versa. With the exception of the corresponding minor key are there any other minor keys one can move to and vice versa, are there any "rules" for this? TIA
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    DJ Dayak
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    Dayak :thx dude its work to do da harmonic set....
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    I need some help moving from major keys to minor keys and vice versa. With the exception of the corresponding minor key are there any other minor keys one can move to and vice versa, are there any "rules" for this? Switching from major to minor of the same key can work in some cases. For example switching from C major to C minor can create an interesting effect. Just experiment and see what works for your style. Peace, Chad
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    Leeroy
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    What a load of compleate Bollocks! c- f- We are Club DJ's and not classical musicans I would not know what a D Major was if it ran me over in the street! I would like to talk to you about this as I feel that I have wasted my money on this 07970 387721 I look forward to hearing from you Kind regards Leeroy
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    Leeroy
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    What a load of jumped up crap!
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Hi Leeroy, I've followed up with you via email. Sincerely, Chad
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    DJ%VK
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    I do not know the d,minor from an E,flat.I do learn fast but need some simular samples please.
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    I do not know the d,minor from an E,flat.I do learn fast but need some simular samples please. Take a look at the Camelot Wheel. D Minor is 7A. E-Flat Minor is one semi-tone higher, or +7, 2A. Anytime your next track is 7 places higher on the Camelot wheel than your current track, you are doing an energy boost mix. The same thing goes for adding 2, you will just now be doing a two semi-tone jump. Best, Chad
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    Muchahco
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    I just sign it to this forum I'm very old dj and i love and spin house music. I organize my cd case by genres meaning "deep house" "vocal house" "tech house" etc and sometimes to earlier stuff and heavier stuff more for the peak time hours of the club. I read everything about mixedinkey and its very intresting.What i dont understand is how you know based on camelot system that some tracks are softer-early time on club or harder or for peak time.Even some tracks are more melancholic other more aggresive. Can this identified with number etc example harder can be a 10A or melancolic can be a 6b for example?
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    What i dont understand is how you know based on camelot system that some tracks are softer-early time on club or harder or for peak time.Even some tracks are more melancholic other more aggresive. Can this identified with number etc example harder can be a 10A or melancolic can be a 6b for example? Most keys do have a certain feel to them, but I think what you're asking is a little more complex than that. Being able to determine the kind of things you described is a great idea, and one we will consider looking into. Cheers, Chad
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    Muchahco
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    Thanks for your reply ! Its easy to organize your cd case by camelot numbers only.Its similare to bpm's But the difficult part is to organize your case not only by camelot numbers but with genres and low early or harder peak time tunes. So you can work easy when you play and not messed on thousands tracks you have on case or on hard drive. Can you give an example of number and feeling of tunes might be ? example 10a is aggresive or 9b is chillin
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    djchez
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    Im a dj in Toronto Canada. never really had an issue mixing in key but no one is perfect. bought this program just to see how it works. No dj plays their sets at 0%. The first track will always be +whatever%. Do you think when in front of a club you have time to stand there and try to calculate how much precent above 0 is equal the what tone the camalot track is in... And then its not done there. You have to do the same for ever single track. It really sounds ridiculous to me. If this is supposed to save you time its not. And in the end it is NOT even guaranteed that the 2 tracks you want to mix together will even mix right even following the Camalot chart. You still have to sit home and try mixing all the possible combinations together. Doesnt any dj do this anyways. Unless i am mistaken this program was a waist of 50 dollers. I just bought this program yesterday so havnt had alot of time with it. Please correct me if i am wrong!! djchez
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Hi djchez, Like any new technique, mixing harmonically takes practice. Start with the basics, like mixing tracks in the same key and same tempo. Then move on to more advanced techniques dealing with tempo and key changes. Calculating these changes may seem difficult at first, but once you've done it a few times you will start to see what key a given track will be in without too much work. It won't be in the next update, but we are also planning on adding a key calculator to the MIK Collections browser, so that you will be able to see what the key of any track at a given tempo would be. Cheers, Chad
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    Muchahco
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    I think is a very good Tool after play with it a bit.
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    djluckyb
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    Yakov your power boost mixing, how does it relate to the wheel vs the piano keyboard?
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    your power boost mixing, how does it relate to the wheel vs the piano keyboard? +7 on the Camelot Wheel translates to one note on the piano, +2 on the Wheel translates to two notes on the piano. :)
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    Sarper
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    I just want to be sure if I got this correctly as I will try this weekend during my gig. Lets say I started with 3A and continue to play 3A, 4A, 4B for a while and when I feel like I need to switch gears I would go from 4A to 7A? Do I need to also increase my tempo, lets say if I was at 124 bmp, I need to match my next song's bmp 3% higher?
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Lets say I started with 3A and continue to play 3A, 4A, 4B for a while and when I feel like I need to switch gears I would go from 4A to 7A? You've almost got it, but not quite. To go up one semitone, add 7 to your current Camelot number. If you're in E-flat Minor (2A), add 7 and you'll be in E Minor (9A). To go up two semitones, just add 2 to your current Camelot number. If you're in C Minor (5A), add 2 and you'll get D Minor (7A). Play your next tune in 7A, and you'll experience an energy boost mix. Do I need to also increase my tempo, lets say if I was at 124 bmp, I need to match my next song's bmp 3% higher? When energy boost mixing, you should keep the BPM the same. Please let us know if you need more help understanding this concept. Cheers, Chad
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    Sarper
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    Thank you for your response. So energy boost always occurs @ 7A? If I am already playing 7A and if I want to increase it even further I would add 5 and play 12A the next song?
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    So energy boost always occurs @ 7A? If I am already playing 7A and if I want to increase it even further I would add 5 and play 12A the next song? I'm sorry, but that is incorrect. Energy boosts always happen when you add 7 or 2 to the current Camelot Key. So if you are playing in 7A adding 7 for a one semitone jump would be the key of 2A, and adding 2 for a two semitone jump would give you 9A. My advice is to look at the Camelot Wheel to help you understand this. Locate the key of the track you want to energy boost from, and then count clockwise either 7 or 2 steps. Notice the correlation between the lettered keys - 7A is D minor. Adding 7 to this key gives you 2A, which is E-Flat Minor, one semitone above D. Adding 2 gives you 9A, or E Minor. E is 2 semitones above D. Try this for other keys and you will see the same pattern. Does this make more sense to you now? If not, I'll be happy to provide you with some more examples. Cheers, Chad
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    Sarper
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    Thanks for your patience. Here is what I understood: Always add 2 or 7 to yoyr current key, if I play 3A boost can be either 5A or 10 A. If I play 6A boost can be 8A or 1A? Alternatively A can be replaced with B. I hope I got it not, if not call me an idiot :))
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Hey Sarper, It sounds like you've got it. I know that it seems confusing at first, but once you've used this technique a few times you'll be mixing like a pro! The same rule applies for "B" tracks. Cheers, Chad
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    DJ Robbie D
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    hiiiiiiiiiiii , Yakov i dnt know from where i can get tracks shorter than 4 min or shorter than 5 and shorter than 2:30 min and when i put some tracks in mixed in key they seeem one is 10A and the other is 11A and when i start to mix them i feel the bass of the first and the bass off the second not too lovely or somtimes in other tracks they seeems to get clash whyy???? please answer me
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    i dnt know from where i can get tracks shorter than 4 min or shorter than 5 and shorter than 2:30 min I believe you are inquiring as to the length of tracks to use Yakov's Perfect Mix method. I think the way to really make this technique work is to carefully select which portion of a song you want to play - you don't have to play the whole song. and when i put some tracks in mixed in key they seeem one is 10A and the other is 11A and when i start to mix them i feel the bass of the first and the bass off the second not too lovely or somtimes in other tracks they seeems to get clash whyy???? please answer me Sometimes tracks will clash despite being in a related key, or perhaps they were improperly keyed. If you have files that you feel were improperly keyed, please send them to us so that we can use them to improve our key detection algorithm. Thanks, Chad
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    LS
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    I am new to mixed in key but as I read on energy boosting, I sorta get the idea. So if for example, I start my set at 2a and add +2 for 4a, I will have a energy boost in my set? Is it possible for example to mix 2a, 2a, then add 2 for 4a and still get the energy boost?
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Hi LS, You've got the right idea, all of your examples would work. Mixes prior to the energy boost do not affect it. Cheers, Chad P
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    zac
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    Mentos 12-19-2006 I assume the same rules apply here as for modulation mixing in that basslines and melodies should be kept separate? Just wanted to clarify it . Reply Yakov (Mixed In Key) 12-19-2006 Hi, That's right, it's better not to overlay melodies in modulation mixing. ive just done the two semitone mix usin two very similar basslines and it sounds sweet as so that does not nessacerily apply try for your selves like with any mixin track selection is the essential key
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    LS
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    I have another question. Is it possible to go 1 semitone and then add 2 or 7 semitones for energy boosting? For example, 1a, 2a, 4a, 6a, 5a, 12a.
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Is it possible to go 1 semitone and then add 2 or 7 semitones for energy boosting? For example, 1a, 2a, 4a, 6a, 5a, 12a. Absolutely. You can use this technique as many or as few times as you want, and in combination with any other harmonic mixing techniques. I should point out though that the numbers on the Camelot Wheel don't represent semitones. 7 steps on the Camelot Wheel is a one semitone shift, and 2 steps on the Camelot Wheel is a two semitone shift. Look at the letters that are associated with the numbers, and it will start to make sense to you. Cheers, Chad P
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    DJ Intoxikate
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    Amazing! You have explained it all. I have always thought that there was a special formula to lift the dance floor but didn't know what exactly. I'v learnt a lot just from reading about the application & look forward to buying it in the future. Key clashes are so sour! xxx
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    Saman'i
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    I have read 3/4 of the thread from the v.beg You guys have helped me to understand so much in such a short space of time (well my morning actually) I have been DJing for many yrs but only playing out 2, I have alot of friends who also DJ and they are going down traktor route. i was a vinyl a purist and refused to budge for a long time but since trying out and seeing all these new ways of mixing it is def starting to open my eyes I also love melodic techno and so this means mixing in key makes more sense!" thank you so much for the help and advice its really helped... ALOT! sam (aka Saman'i)
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    DJ Smithers
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    Hi Yakov/Chad I've just bought the software and it's great! Helps alot with selecting the next song and not worrying about accidently downing the dancefloor at the wrong time. I've got one question though, I still play alot of vinyl coz most of my classics are on vinyl. I'd love to find out their respective keys without the hassle of recording them and then analyzing them, not to mention the possiblity of picking up 'artifacts' through poor recording, etc. Is there a database for songs? Or perhaps recording a sample will do the trick? I've got hundreds of songs that I keep almost excusively on vinyl (for that pure, uncut, warm sound that mp3 slices away) that I want to find the keys for? Shot dawg! Smithers
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Hi DJ Smithers, There is a database of vinyl records, you can check it out here. If you decide to only record a sample of each track though, the longer the sample the better. I personally wouldn't recommend using less than two minutes of the main melody for accurate results. Cheers, Chad P
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    Nomic
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    Hello all, I just started mixing about five months ago and it has become a new love of mine. since I'm so new to this Please forgive the newb questions. My favorite type of tracks are trance and pregressive. Now I know that most good trance sets usually build up, keep you there for a while and then slowly bring you back down. I guess my question is this. How can I use the wheel after energy boosting to slowly bring the energy down a little? If I were moving clockwise, would I gradually start moving counter clockwise to have this effect? Thanks so much for all you help. I've been looking for a forum like this for a while.
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    How can I use the wheel after energy boosting to slowly bring the energy down a little? Just do the opposite of an energy boost, mixing down -7 or -2 spaces on the Camelot wheel. Cheers, Chad P
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    DJ Cojac
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    So I was wondering if/why the harmonic mixing print out list would be good for someone like me who has all his music loaded up in serato. Other than having a giant list of songs with their respective keys listed. Thanks
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Hi DJ Cojac, Printing out a list may not be useful for DJs in your situation, or it might. It all depends on how you prefer to work. Cheers, Chad P
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    duartepedro
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    Hi still not understanding the Energy boost mixing i found one playlist on famous girl dj Chloe Harris and i put the tracks on the mixed in key and the results is that 9A 8A 6A 5A 5A 8A 7A 4A 2A 3A 11A 6A 11A Ok my question is the sequence is correct? because to me the mix is perfect and not clash i read the forum and i never can play 8A to 6A and 5A to 8A and 3A to 11A and 6A to 11A I read only 2 semitones or 7 semitone or -7 -2 semitones ....etc...in the forum Read too ...if you're in 8A, would the compatible choices be 7A,8A,8B,9A,10A, 3A, but absolutely NOT 6A, and 1A? ") the famous dj Chloe Harris play wrong or have more possibilities in the Camelot Easymix ... you can help me Tank you
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Hi, Good question, I am happy to help. I think it is important to use harmonic mixing as a start for ideas and suggestions. They are not hard and fast rules that must be obeyed for a mix to sound good. Sometimes two tracks will sound great together even if they are not in harmonically related keys. This is part of the creative process, in music you can do whatever you want, although sometimes you might be the only person who thinks it sounds good ;) For more harmonic mixing possibilities, check out my chart here. Cheers, Chad P
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    winwin
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    more or less precisely what i been doing for ages . MIK is a great innovation , can detect more than the ear can do ,as it never gets tired . Great tool ,saves a lot of the ear digging . and when you disagree with it , easy to do your own . I do all pre selections with real player plus , then of course its a lenghty process to MIK and pn the pre selection , but results are really good . and thats what matters . If you have a good ear , this combination beats any other I came across ... so far .
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    duartepedro
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    Hi Chad P nice support now i can make my mix very good... Best Regards
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    TomMarvel
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    This forum and M.I.K has made such a huge impact on me. I almost gave up hope. You Rock.
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    TomMarvel
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    Hello, I have a mix that sounds totally amazing that I have to tell you all about. Starting with High Contrast - Twilights Last Gleaming adding Generation Dub - Voodoo Doll at the right time makes it feel like the two songs were made to go together. They break to give each other time for vocals and double drop all on there own. I love it so much I often shed a tear. May be relief that the mix hasn't gone tits up. Now Twilights is 11B - A Major and Voodoo is 3A - B Flat Minor. Its works very well but I'm not sure why. I understand that an A Major is the 5th pitch in the B Flat Harmonic Minor Scale. Is it that simple? ALSO, guuuuuuuuuys is there search function on this forum?
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    I have a mix that sounds totally amazing that I have to tell you all about. Starting with High Contrast - Twilights Last Gleaming adding Generation Dub - Voodoo Doll at the right time makes it feel like the two songs were made to go together. They break to give each other time for vocals and double drop all on there own. I love it so much I often shed a tear. May be relief that the mix hasn't gone tits up. Ok, by the Mixed In Key by-laws if you describe a mix in words you must post a recording of this mix. Especially this one, we're big fans of High Contrast ;) Now Twilights is 11B - A Major and Voodoo is 3A - B Flat Minor. Its works very well but I'm not sure why. I understand that an A Major is the 5th pitch in the B Flat Harmonic Minor Scale. Is it that simple? I think one of those tracks is being falsely reported as major or minor. It is more likely that Twilights Last Gleaming is 11A, or F-sharp minor. Your jump is now a major third, which is usually a good harmonic mix. Check out my advanced chart here for more possibilities. ALSO, guuuuuuuuuys is there search function on this forum? You can search this site using the following formula in Google: "search term" site:community.mixedinkey.com
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    TomMarvel
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    I do believe I have just had my wrists cyber-slapped. :-) I will post the mix very soon. I'm excited about you guys hearing it. I'm also a huge HC fan. Id happily play a whole set of his stuff every night of the week. The wrong identification of the key could prove to be a bit of a nightmare. Any idea's why that has happened? Thanks for the spreadsheet and the Google tip, very helpful. Keep rocking. T
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    The wrong identification of the key could prove to be a bit of a nightmare. Any idea's why that has happened? Detecting musical keys is a subjective process, and when the difference is between relative major/minor it can be little more than an educated guess. The key here is not to treat the key codes as a hard and fast rule that must be followed all of the time. Experiment! If you think two tracks will sound good together but they are reported out of key, great, try it! As you've already discovered, going with your gut can yield spectacular results. Can't wait to hear the mix, please tell me you like Ben Sage too and will mix in some of his stuff! I really could use some more good melodic harmonically mixed dnb ;)
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    geever
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    SO what do you call A +5 mixing? i swear i read somewhere that you can power mix adding 5.. ie (A7 + 5= A12) so is this wrong??
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    SO what do you call A +5 mixing? i swear i read somewhere that you can power mix adding 5.. ie (A7 + 5= A12) so is this wrong?? I hesitate to call anything in music wrong, since it is art. The mix you described is actually lowering the energy though since the new key is a half-step lower than the starting key. Cheers, Chad P
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    yousifq8
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    hi .. im starting with A8 to A1 it is possible ??
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    middleman
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    Hey... something i'm wondering.... what would everybody say is the most energetic key.... a place to stay for a while to create tension during the peak time of your Dj set? Thanks...Middleman ;) x
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    im starting with A8 to A1 it is possible ?? Anything is possible. If it sounds good to you, go for it.
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    yousifq8
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    thanks a lot man im new with mik .. and if i add 7 from 8A it will be in 2A ?
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    if i add 7 from 8A it will be in 2A ? Not quite, you would be in 3A.
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    DJ edgy
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    Hi, I just got MIK the other week and while I have not had alot of time to spend with it, I have had a quick muck around in virtual DJ and what difference it makes!! Now to go through and make key notes in my CD wallet... My question is in regards to going up ONE semitone you add "7" to the number of the key your in... but what if you are at say 11A ?? does this mean if you move clockwise around the chamelot wheel 7 positions to 6A you will be in a "compatible" key? Sorry if that sounds like a noob question... but I couldn't see my answer anywhere in this thread.. cheers
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    My question is in regards to going up ONE semitone you add "7" to the number of the key your in... but what if you are at say 11A ?? does this mean if you move clockwise around the chamelot wheel 7 positions to 6A you will be in a "compatible" key? That is exactly correct.
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    Luis
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    How does you people label the cds with harmonic mixing in mind. Do you have a methodology? Thanks
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Hi, Thanks for posting, this thread has been discussed in great detail here. Cheers, Chad P
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    Mr. M
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    Maybe somebody can give example of the tracks name for this energy boosting. or make short mix and put here. bicause i don't feel any energy boosting. :(
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    I did an energy boost mix in a trance mix I posted here. It's the second to last mix, 'Eye of the Vortex' by Der Mystik - 11A into 'Untame Me feat. Marcie' by Ali Wilson - 1A. Shameless self promotion - I'm still proud of the first few transitions on this one, I think they mixed really well :)
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    Tulbure
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    I wouldn't call "Axwell - Feel The Vibe" a classic house song. It's just electro-house :)
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    Sabby
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    Hey, I've been finding tracklists of famous DJs to see what good songs they play in their sets; so I can buy the songs from Beatport. However, I sometimes run into an awkward tracklist. I found a tracklist by Sasha which consisted of these songs: Mistral (Anton Pieete Remix) - John Selway & Christian Smith (5A) Angels Die - Enrique Saiz & Marc Marzenit (8A) Look Around - Tomcraft (5A) I understand that 8A = A Minor and 5A = C Minor. Can these songs be harmonically mixed, because apparently Sasha mixed them in his set?
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    I understand that 8A = A Minor and 5A = C Minor. Can these songs be harmonically mixed, because apparently Sasha mixed them in his set? Absolutely, this is what is called a minor third: Mix Chart
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    Luis
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    Which key to start, Is there any specified key to start a mix, for example if I am going to open a set at the very beginning of the night, is there any suggestion on that? What other steps can I do on the harmonic mixing I understood the following If I start in 5A, I can to to 5B, 4A, 6A, or also 7A for energy boost or 10A will also boost the mix Any other combination that I can use? Thanks
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Which key to start, Is there any specified key to start a mix, for example if I am going to open a set at the very beginning of the night, is there any suggestion on that? Choose whatever you want for your first track. It might help to have at least the first couple of tracks you're going to play picked out ahead of time, then see how the crowd reacts and spin accordingly. Any other combination that I can use? There's lots of other combinations that will work with varying degrees of success depending on the tracks. Take a look at the post immediately before yours. Cheers, Chad P
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    Dj Reestos
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    So is it possible to do a minor third mix if im in a major key? or vice versa? or does minor third mixing only apply if your in a minor key, and major third mixing in a major key?
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    So is it possible to do a minor third mix if im in a major key? or vice versa? Absolutely. The minor/major third refers to a musical interval, for our purposes the distance between the root notes of our keys. A minor third has three semitones distance, and a major third has 4. For example, from C major a minor third would be E-flat major, a major third would be E major.
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    Echo
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    Hey Yakov, Chad, Will Energy Boost Mixing work on a drop-mixing set of non-dance eclectic music?
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    Andriska005
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    http://www.myspace.com/tomniel
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    Echo
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    The 3% Rule; Tried & Tested! Someone may have done this before but I tried a little experiment using VDJ. With the Keylock off, I recorded a one minute clip from the middle of a tune with the pitch at 0. Starting from the same cue point each time and increasing the pitch by 1% (or as close to 1% as I possibly could get) I recorded 12 more one minute clips. Then decreasing the pitch from 0 by 1% at a time I recorded a further 12 clips. So I ended up with 25 one minute clips at 1% intervals, which I then put through my MIK programme to get the key results. Here's what happened: The track, Son of Raw - Black Man In Space [Sax Mix] was in 4A The one minute clip also came back as 4A; Below are the results in linear order; -12.1% - 2A or 3A - 110.74 -11.1% - 7A or 2A - 111.97 -10% - 2A - 113.45 -9% - 2A - 114.68 -8% - 10A - 115.92 -7% - 10A - 117.15 -6.1% - 12B - 118.37 -5.1% - 9A - 119.6 -4.1% - 9A - 120.82 -3.1% - 9A or 8A - 122.07 -2% - 4A - 123.54 -1% - 4A - 124.76 0% - 4A - 126 +1% - 4A - 127.22 +2% - 4A - 128.46 +3.1% - 4A or 11A - 129.92 +4.1% - 11A - 131.17 +5.1% - 11A - 132.38 +6.1% - 11A - 133.62 +7% - 11A - 134.85 +8% - 11A - 136.09 +9% - 11A - 137.32 +10% - 7A - 138.55 +11.1% - 6A - 140.04 +12.1% - 6A - 141.26 For me the results are pretty good. I would rarely have to (or want to) increase/decrease a tune by any more than plus/minus 5%. And almost everything within that spectrum on this example is spot on. (with the exception of "-3.1% - 9A or 8A" which is pretty close anyway) I know "-6.1% - 12B - 118.37" makes no sense as it dictates a change from minor to major, but I suspect that has more to do with the dreadful distorted sound of a saxaphone being slowed down by over 6% it's natural tempo. Anyway, this experiment has helped me understand the 3% Rule a little better, hopefully it will be helpful to someone else. I plan to do a similar experiment with a track that has two keys to see what happens!
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    dhaval
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    Hi , Now if have 2 tracks with the same key for eg 10A.Track 1 125.00 track 2 132.00 .Wouldnt the key change to a major if i were to slow it down? and hence sound very very distorted with all the clashes possible. As suggested in the forum i tried playing a couple of tracks with same key to build the set up with out major changes but it didnt sound harmonic at all and thats y the above question.For eg in a folder there is a min diff of 0.7-6.0 between bpms of the same key.What would be the best wayto go about it or is there a way ? Cheers
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Now if have 2 tracks with the same key for eg 10A.Track 1 125.00 track 2 132.00 .Wouldnt the key change to a major if i were to slow it down? You can never change a song from minor to major by changing the tempo. and hence sound very very distorted with all the clashes possible. It will sound off because the slowed down track will now be in the key of 3A. As suggested in the forum i tried playing a couple of tracks with same key to build the set up with out major changes but it didnt sound harmonic at all and thats y the above question.For eg in a folder there is a min diff of 0.7-6.0 between bpms of the same key. A minimum difference of .7-6.0% is quite a large range. Remember, anything over 3% will now be closer to +/-7 on the Camelot Wheel.
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    Hi there, I have a question. I understand the part of Harmonic mixing completely except the pitching part. For example; I play track XXX in deck A on 125 BPM. The track itself is also 125 BPM. I play track YYY in deck B on 125 BPM, but the track itself is 120 BMP. Does the Harmonic mixing still counts? Because I was reading this topic, and as far I could see the keycode is changing when your pitching up or down a track. If it does change, it takes a hell of a lot to calculate when your mixing... Let me know. EDIT: I use Traktor Pro for mixing. If the above is true, and it looks like it, does it help to put the Keylock on? If I put Keylock on it doesn't change the keycode does it? Thanx, Piter
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    I use Traktor Pro for mixing. If the above is true, and it looks like it, does it help to put the Keylock on? If I put Keylock on it doesn't change the keycode does it? That is exactly what keylock is for.
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    neoyoung
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    Thanx Chad! As you probably know the 'keylock' option in Traktor is still questioned, because it can make the music stutter. Beside this I don't know a lot of DJ's want to work with it, because it changes the track, doesn't it? I mean; if you pitch up a track, it should sound faster anyway shouldn't it? So then; if you don't turn on 'keylock' it does takes a lot of calculating? On CDJ's the button 'Master Tempo' is the same function as the 'keylock' option in Traktor?
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    Vitaliy
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    hey, i have bought mixed in key and platinum notes for mac, i jsut have some general questions so after all files are analyzed..... i should mix songs with same number (ex 2a with 2a , or with 2b)? i dont get you on how to raise the energy, i thought to raise energy i should go from 2a to 3a- to 4a and so on, but siad to go by 7 like form 2a to 9a? why skip so much?
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    so after all files are analyzed..... i should mix songs with same number (ex 2a with 2a , or with 2b)? Yep, the basic principle is explained on our webpage here. i dont get you on how to raise the energy, i thought to raise energy i should go from 2a to 3a- to 4a and so on, but siad to go by 7 like form 2a to 9a? why skip so much? This does seem confusing until you look at the way that the Camelot Wheel relates to the piano keyboard. Check out the image I uploaded here and it should make a little bit more sense to you. Cheers, Chad P
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    Vitaliy
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    i still didnt understand how to raise energy, i got the part that i cna mix same keys or +or - 1, also i got the part that 2a and 2b can be mxied too for example, but i still dont know about raising the energy ven though read what you have sent me ....can u give me examples, like if i am in 2a, 3a, 2b, 3b, 4b, 4a..... where i got next tor aise energy, maybe than i ll get these staff, sorry for this question
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    How-To Here is how to use it: Detect the key of your current song, and pick the next song to be 1 or 2 semitones above it. Does this translate to Camelot numbers? Yes. To go up one semitone, add 7 to your current Camelot number. If you're in E-flat Minor (2A), add 7 and you'll be in E Minor (9A). To go up two semitones, just add 2 to your current Camelot number. If you're in C Minor (5A), add 2 and you'll get D Minor (7A). Play your next tune in 7A, and you'll experience an energy boost mix.
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    Vitaliy
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    thanks, now i got you so 2 semitones means more energy boost than one semitone> also when going form minor to major like 2a to 2b, is there energy boost too? thanks for help
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    so 2 semitones means more energy boost than one semitone Yep, pretty much. A single semitone increase slightly changes the vibe, where as a two semitone boost definitely increases the energy. also when going form minor to major like 2a to 2b, is there energy boost too? Not exactly, it's more of a vibe changer than it is an energy boost.
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    AlexRae
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    I gues if your using master tempo like on the cdj1000's you wouldnt be pitching your songs up or down - which would keep you in key - i dont know if the denons have it...
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    veryval
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    Lads, Didn find any words bout mixing in ableton. How to fix the key "travelling" with the pitch according to global pitch control that ableton has? Traktor users mentioned the key lock feature. I believe, such an easy thing has to exist in ableton aswell. Anybody with ableton experience please come with ideas. Thanks
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    In Ableton Live setting the warp mode to anything other than "Re-Pitch" will lock the key. Use complex or complex pro for the best results with full songs. Cheers, Chad P
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    MichaelStPatrick
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    I just came across a post talking about using the echo effect (on a DJM600 in this case), and jacking the parameter down to 1-12. This is a great trick that produces what I call the "drug store effect", where you can change the tone of this maddeningly cracked out echo by going from 1, 2, 5, 6, 1, 2, and so on, or in any other combination you choose. You can actually create your own wack melodies this way. As for how it works with the Camelot scale, I'll have to try it out, but this is a neat way to add a little odd flavor to your mixes. I went from Oliver Huntemann - Rikarda (Paul Ritch Remix) to Len Faki's BX3 and had the echo effect layered over the latter track for three to four minutes, and it completely changed the tone, as well as added another messed up element to the mix.
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    davebds
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    Hi! Will it works if I put for example a G major after a G minor? So in chamelot system, if I put a 9B after a 6A?
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    DJ/MJ
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    do major thirds work if u start from a minor chord?
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Yep, if you scroll up a little ways you'll see a chart I made that includes mixing a major third up. Cheers, Chad P
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    DJ/MJ
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    ok, so it seems that each number harmonically mixes with every number except the number opposite on the wheel. i.e. if u highlight all the number 1's in the chart above it appears in all of them except 7. correct?
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    In theory maybe, but a lot of those combinations are special effect mixes, ie the energy boost. They are not going to work well for every track combination. I made the chart just to show possibilities for those wanting to advance beyond mixing only fifths. Also, I think that most of them only work when mixing up - you could go from 1A to 5A, but going from 5A to 1A would probably be a downer.
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    DJ_LG
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    Does this work with Hardstyle? i can't get my basses to go together
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Everything here is based on music theory, so it should work with any style of music. Mixing the bass lines from any two tracks can be muddy though, even if they are harmonic. IMO it is better to cut the bass line on the incoming track and bring it in gradually. Speaking very generally of course, but give it a shot. Cheers, Chad P
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    Ninja Gaijin
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    i like both basses at once if they sound good, just cut each a bit on the eq so you dont clip cut across between t hem too sounds hot
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    dj snaguar
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    On Traktor, use the 4 band 'Xone' eq when harmonically mixing basslines. drop the lo mids out the track that is ending and keep it subby. then on the track that is appearing, emphasise the lo mids to get that more crispy bassline. seems obvious now that i say it but i hope someone finds it useful. this way you can combine two basslines without peaking, muddyness and confusion haha. and of course, get to you know your records. it wont work with every tune. I realise now that this is only useful for digital djs, us analog guys dont all have 4 band eq mixers. so to do this with 3 band eq- if your mixer has some 'kill' function, take the bass you want to be be more 'middish' right down to where the kill begins. practise this at home till you get a feel for this spot and you can let a bit of the low leak in but not overpower the bass of the outgoing track. once you know the spot well enough, you don't have to look and you can mess around with this nicely, eg= you could kill the outgoing subby bass completely and let the incoming middish bass get lower and 'fuller'. once that reaches 'peak excitement' we'll say, cut the fader completely back to the outgoing track with JUST the low bass, kill all the other frequencies. this is a great teaser, and used live it can throw the crowd off guard. then if you let that incoming track fully drop after just a few seconds of low bass it is nuts. bit long but hope that was interesting and helpful for some people. snaguar
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    Hi, Most of my tracks (99.9%) are in the minor key. I understand that -1, -5, the same, +1, +2, +7 are all ok or very good to mix. -2 is a no no, so are there any other minor keys (+ or -A's) that you would def not mix together? cheers
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    Thanks guys for this wonderfull product!!! I made a switch 7 years ago from mainly playing house/techno, or whatever it is called nowadays, to worldmusic combined with hiphop soul and a little bit minimal. The fine thing is I don't do beatmatching anymore, but make nice transitions, and just let the record do its work as it was intended by the componist. This tool really helps me, to get a crowed going even if the tempo gets lower. I love playing with moods.
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    keenandaniel
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    Hey there I apologise in advance for my bad question , am new to this, tried reading the other threads but be better if answered directly. I see people have written there mixing from example 2b to 7b or 12a to 2a etc . I thought from watching danny rampling's youtube video and the manual there were in only 4 options in reference to the scale, example 3a to 3a, 3b 4a, 2a,. I thought that was the option? and the key of the song is the bass not the lead? thanks
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    kezmen
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    Hey chad, just a quick couple of q's. So do you cut out the low pretty much all of the time and gradually mix in the drums/bass even when the songs are in key??? Also I have heard Armin mixes in key and noticed on one of his live sets he went from Rain which is 10a 135 to thrill which is originally 7a 130 so I presume he would of sped it up which would take it to 2a. Is going up 4 on the wheel common ? I really liked the effect. Kez.
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    So do you cut out the low pretty much all of the time and gradually mix in the drums/bass even when the songs are in key??? That's a pretty general question. The same mixing techniques apply that you would normally use. Also I have heard Armin mixes in key and noticed on one of his live sets he went from Rain which is 10a 135 to thrill which is originally 7a 130 so I presume he would of sped it up which would take it to 2a. Is going up 4 on the wheel common ? I really liked the effect. Yes, up 4 is a major third. If you scroll up about 25% of this thread you can find a chart I made that includes more harmonic mixing options, of which the major third is just one. Cheers, Chad P
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    Joe.webster
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    Hi... Iv'e Been Wondering, if +6% on the pitch pushes the note up a semitone naturally, then how is it possible for me too ever keep my two records in beatmatch, and in harmonics. say if for instance i had two records... Cmaj - Emaj but they where both at opposite ends of the pitchbar Cmaj + 8% & Emaj - 2% Thanks, Joe.
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    TheGift
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    He used to explain that himsef on videos called : How To DJ with Armin van Buuren (1/2), World's Number One DJ [Trance Energy 2009 Intro / Opening] How To DJ with Armin van Buuren (2/2), World's Number One DJ [Trance Energy 2009 Intro / Opening] unfortunately those are no longer on youtube.
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    Diego Gätjens
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    Why not 1A?, I mean someone asked if after 12A should mix 2A next but why not 1A?
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    brasax
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    Tried the energy boost with following tracks, but it sounds more like a break than a boost: Mauro Picotto - Twentyeleven 5A Kinda Umm - Tomm Budden 12A Maybe it is just me, but all the energy boosts sounds boring or more like a break..
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    That's not really an energy boost mix, although Yakov did include it in his original post. A real energy boost mix is +2 on the Camelot Wheel. +7 on the Camelot Wheel is a modulation mix, you're only going up one semitone, not two like in an energy boost mix. And yes, these are break mixes, you shouldn't overlap the tracks.
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    brasax
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    Hey Chad, thanks for the reply.. Was never trying to use keys for mixing. Just started with MIK. But If I check my past playlists, I did it unknowingly, just by hearing the tracks.. Ver yinteresting.. And there I can find a lot "energy boosts" going up 2 counts (camelot), but never 7 counts..
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    And there I can find a lot "energy boosts" going up 2 counts (camelot), but never 7 counts.. +7 on the Camelot Wheel is only raising the root note by a single semitone, it's an interesting effect when used at the right moment but probably not something you would use often.
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    djboboy
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    hello Mixedinkey i already both a MAC VERSION,but i had a PC laptop also how could i still use the license code for the windows version any help thanks!!
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    BLEHH
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    Yakov, HEY.. dude please help me.. just tell me the bpm stuff.. eg- im playing a 128bmp track and i need to mix a 130 bpm track i have to increase the bpm meter by 1.5?if the master tempo is on.. also please help me on how to find the key of a song or tune by EAR? thanks
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    M River
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    So to change the key by 2 semitones, would you increase the BPM by 12%?
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    DJ Cayo
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    Hi. A great doubt about energy boost mixing: Previously you said: "To go up one semitone, add 7 to your current Camelot number. If you're in E-flat Minor (2A), add 7 and you'll be in E Minor (9A). To go up two semitones, just add 2 to your current Camelot number. If you're in C Minor (5A), add 2 and you'll get D Minor (7A). Play your next tune in 7A, and you'll experience an energy boost mix." But in another thread you said: "Next up are two songs in A Minor with different tempos. First song is 128 BPM and the second is 136 BPM. To beatmatch the slower song with the faster song, we’ll have to increase its tempo by exactly 6.25%. This will move the slower song one key to the right, making it B-flat Minor rather than A Minor. The new keys will no longer result in a harmonic mix because A Minor (8A) and B-Flat Minor (3A) are not compatible Camelot numbers." My Question: Aren't 8A and 3A compatible acording to "Energy boost mixing"? (since adding 7 numbers to 8A, results in 3A) Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding the concept. Thanks and regards
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    DJ Cayo
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    Hi, firends of MIK, I have an issue with Camelot wheel, pitch, key changes etc, that is driving me crazy. The thing is that doing some recursion process I get the following results. Please tell me where I am wrong because I'm sure I'm making some kind of mistake. Here my example using 9A key song with 117 BPM. Key BPM Compatible with Reason 9A 117 9A 117 + - 2.99 % Same Key 8A 117 + - 2.99 % -1 Camelot Clock 10A 117 + - 2.99 % +1 Camelot Clock 11A 117 + - 2.99 % + 2 Two semitones 4A 117 + - 2.99 % + 7 One Semitone 7A 117 + - 2.99 % - 2 Two Semitones 2A 117 + - 2.99 % - 7 One Semitone RECURSION Compatible With Reason 2A 110.37 + 3.1 - 6 % Becomes 9A because of pitch incr. 4A 124.02 - 3.1 - 6 % Becomes 9A because of pitch decr. 1A 110.37 + 3.1 - 6 % Becomes 8A because of pitch incr. 3A 124.02 - 3.1 - 6 % Becomes 8A because of pitch decr. 3A 110.37 + 3.1 - 6 % Becomes 10A because of pitch incr. 5A 124.02 - 3.1 - 6 % Becomes 10A because of pitch decr. 4A 110.37 + 3.1 - 6 % Becomes 11A because of pitch incr. 6A 124.02 - 3.1 - 6 % Becomes 11A because of pitch decr. 9A 110.37 + 3.1 - 6 % Becomes 4A because of pitch incr. 11A 124.02 - 3.1 - 6 % Becomes 4A because of pitch decr. 12A 110.37 + 3.1 - 6 % Becomes 7A because of pitch incr. 2A 124.02 - 3.1 - 6 % Becomes 7A because of pitch decr. 7A 110.37 + 3.1 - 6 % Becomes 2A because of pitch incr. 9A 124.02 - 3.1 - 6 % Becomes 2A because of pitch decr. Please forgive me if I make you read such a long text but believe me, this is confusing me a lot. Thank you
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    My Question: Aren't 8A and 3A compatible acording to "Energy boost mixing"? Yes, but they won't sound good with overlapping melodies. Try it and see.
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    dj gabriel
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    eu so zikaaa
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    dj gabriel
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    eu so zikaaa
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    DJ Steve Miller
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    This all makes fantastic reading for energy boosting with either 1 or 2 semitones but in general I feel there is certain keys that if you use the 1 or 2 semitones depending on your current key state will kill you set! I believe and correct me if I am wrong certain key in the Camelot wheel give off more energized feeling to the tracks than other from my collection, I find that tracks produced with C Minor 5A and G Minor 6A are the most liveliest ones in my collection! So it would be good to know which keys are the most dependable for Energy boosting?
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    Rayhook
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    7A & 11A for me
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    dv8r
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    a mix I made a few days after having read this post. being able to step the energy up with the mixes is a godsend, something that I'd never know about before. I think back all those years ago when I was just playing what I wanted to play, dear lord how awful that must've sounded :( Anyways, please leave some comments, be they good or bad, so that I can keep stepping up my mixes. http://soundcloud.com/r-carter-79/dusk-till-dawn
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    Jeza
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    yavok..hello..well my question is: Well supose we have 2 mixes... (2A to 9a) or (5a to 7a) . Track 2A will mix to 9a acordding with the boost effect. but what happen if the track 2A is at 128 bpm and track 9A is 130 bpm,,, moving the pitch + 1.6 to get track 9A to 128 bpm doesn't affect this boosting effect at all or what it has to be done?
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    DjDonnieD
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    yea ive notice that lately as ive been mixing. always look at your baselines your kick and your snare first. make sure they "can ride along together, or they can go with each other"it makes your mix sound more professional simple and more FUN!
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    Olanzapino
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    Made For The Night (CD1) mixed by Jesse Rose One of the best Release on Beatport: 1. Henrik Schwarz – Stop, Look & Listen – Henrik’s Classical Version (Unreleased Exclusive) 2. &Me – Empire State 3. Joel Alter – I Feel You 4. Loco Dice – Don’t Make Signal 5. Maya Jane Coles – Little One 6. Oliver $ – Granulated Soul 7. Axel Boman & Kornel Kovacs– Paris 2006 8. Rafael Kakudo – Work 9. Joe Goddard – Jump (Jesse Rose Edit) 10. Zombie Disco Squad – Pinky (Monkey Safari Remix) 11. Osborne & Anderson – Noho 12. Prince Club – Body Holly 13. Filtertypen – After Laughter 14. Isloee - Brazil.com (Non-Radio Edit) 8A 11A 4A 1A 9A 3A 8B 11A 8A 3A 8A 8A 12A 4A This cd do not match any harmonic mixing rules (just 8A to 8A) Jesse Rose a Dis-harmonic dj *_* Why ?
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    Olanzapino
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    With Original Unmixed Tracks I've Got remixed like Jesse the entire Cd and every songs works very harmonically together (Maya >to> Oliver $ the one with clash) Music mixing science still remain for humans..... , our brain was the crowning glory of evolution so far.
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    Shannon
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    I would also appreciate an answer for this question as I have MIK on my PC and need it on my laptop. Cheers!
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    Shannon
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    I would also appreciate an answer for this question as I have MIK on my PC and need it on my laptop. Cheers!
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    JJAZ
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    What do you think of going up to the natural 3rd or minor third...thinking it might get the same effect but work more since they would be more compatable. Theory crafting here...but maybe going to minor 3rd could give you a minerchordy sounding mix...really like somber etc, were as going to a major 3rd would give a confident kind of feel...gonna play with this ... just waiting for my music to organize :)
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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Yes! Minor and Major third mixes can work harmonically, but not always. For a really cool combination try going +1 major to minor (8B to 9A), or -1 minor to major (8A to 7B). The notes in these scales are all a major third apart so they sound great when mixed together!
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    DJ Justin Ocean
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    Chad, What is the most dynamic energy boost, which is the least, and which is in-between? I know there is +7, +2, and -3. Is this the least dynamic to most dynamic order?
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    serafeem
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    @Olanzapino Because "harmonic mixing" or whatever you call it is bullshit. If you analyze most of the epic sets, you will see that they do not bother with this crap.
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    Decade Selector
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    Once a person gets to a certain level of listening skill, they can feel it intuitively, but saying chromatic mixing is bs... is such bs! It's the same thing whether you do it by ear or by software... my best mixes and mashups, though, have definitely been the ones I've just discovered myself without software telling me, because the brain does it based on the rhythm and actual melodies, not just which notes are present in the scale of the song... ...but c'mon, this is useful, amazing, revelatory stuff and it can help you develop an ear for these things, no?
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    Marxist
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    Hey MIK, great product. Seems that too many are always keen to put down your efforts, but this is really helping me with my mixing. I'm looking at energy boosting mixes, and getting a bit confused figuring out where to go next if I have a c major track for example. Could a similar Camelot wheel be made to demonstrate this visually for energy boost mixing? I'm not very good at figuring out keys etc, I can hear if something works or not, but not music theory minded. If not is there somewhere that I can get a list of a semitone scale C minor C major D major etc. I really don't know when I go up one key on a keyboard makes it major or minor when it comes to chords.
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    Marxist
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    Hey MIK, great product. Seems that too many are always keen to put down your efforts, but this is really helping me with my mixing. I'm looking at energy boosting mixes, and getting a bit confused figuring out where to go next if I have a c major track for example. Could a similar Camelot wheel be made to demonstrate this visually for energy boost mixing? I'm not very good at figuring out keys etc, I can hear if something works or not, but not music theory minded. If not is there somewhere that I can get a list of a semitone scale C minor C major D major etc. I really don't know when I go up one key on a keyboard makes it major or minor when it comes to chords.
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    november
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    still not entirely sure how to progress through the scales if i need to speed a track up... gues i'll need to keep on re-reading and experimenting until it clicks
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    moey2k2001
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    Hey, If you're using a software to DJ and always have a master tempo and key switched on, How relevant is mixed in key? Thnx.
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    ALX
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    For minimal staff like Olanzapino sayd, you really dont need any Key rules. No melodies - no harmonics =)
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    djnutz
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    hi, i use pioneer cdj's with a master tempo that(i believe) makes sure the key doesnt change when i change the pitch.
    am i right or not?

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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Yes, that is exactly what master tempo does on CDJs.

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    Lawrence_LuV
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    Hi,
    Can you tell me which Key steps do not work together. From what I gather +3, -2, and possibly -6 are ones I should keep clear of. Are there any others that you can think of. I play tracks off the cuff and try to take requests where possible so I need to be aware of those that clash.

    cheers

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    moey2k2001
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    Hey I am not sure if I got a reply as I did not see any relevant to my question.
    I am using software to DJ and always have a master tempo and key switched on, How relevant is mixed in key?
    I realized that I always mix one step, two steps or two steps up or down by default.... But since I have everything with MIK analyzed now and master tempo and key is switched on usually, i am not quiet sure how relevant this comes to.

    Can you please clarify how handy it is by to use MIK in my postion.

    Thnks

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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:29 PM moey2k2001 wrote:

    I am using software to DJ and always have a master tempo and key switched on, How relevant is mixed in key?

    Master Tempo makes it much easier to use Mixed In Key. The advantage comes from the pitch of the song NOT changing as the BPM changes. Without Master Tempo turned on you need to calculate the amount of key change that occurs when changing the BPM. This is covered in a separate topic here: http://community.mixedinkey.com/Topic.aspx?ID=1767

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    sylas
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    4A and 10A

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    djsoloremix
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    I WILL TRY IT THIS THURSDAY ON MY SHOW TO SEE HOW IT WORK'S OUT AND I WILL LET YOU GUY'S KNOW HOW HIGH I CAN BOOST THE ENERGY ON MY SHOW CALL HOUSE THE PLANET ON WWW.NITELINERADIO.COM FROM 2PM TO 6PM ALL HOUSE MUSIC NEW YORK TIME LOL

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    Dixie Krystalz
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    Hello Mixed In Key and the Community

    Most electronic dance tunes are 4/4 beat form.

    I wanted to ask how can energy mixing with MIK described here, be implicated to better mix between 4/4 and 3/4 beat form, when it comes to breakbeat tunes....

    Tnx

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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Energy boost mixing (and harmonic mixing in general) is a separate and complementary thing to beat mixing. It doesn't have anything to do with the time signature of the songs.

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    DJ ALMASOL
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    Hey Yakov I have a question or more like clarification on Energy mixing.

    You state To go up One semitone, add 7 to your current Camelot number. If you're in E-flat Minor (2A), add 7 and you'll be in E Minor (9A).

    Then you say if you want to go up Two semitones just add 2 to your current Camelot number. If you're in C Minor (5A), add 2 and you'll get D Minor (7A). Play your next tune in 7A, and you'll experience an energy boost mix.

    Wouldn't it be to add 14 to your current Camelot number ( if I follow the your first statement ) ? Please let me know want to use this in my sets.

    thanks in advance for MixedinKey and your guidance.

    Almasol.

    On Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:58 PM Yakov (Mixed In Key) wrote:

    Editor's note: We're going to make this a sticky topic because it benefits many DJs.

    Overview

    "Energy boost mixing" is a great technique to create energy on your dance floor.

    How-To

    Here is how to use it: Detect the key of your current song, and pick the next song to be 1 or 2 semitones above it.

    If you're in C Minor, your next key should be D-flat Minor (+1 semitone) or D Minor (+2 semitones). Take a look at the image above. The rule is always the same, just go "right" on the piano from your original key.

    The effect is really interesting: Energy on the dancefloor will rise every time. It doesn't work with every song, but most of the time it can create a pleasant effect.

    Does this translate to Camelot numbers?

    Yes. To go up one semitone, add 7 to your current Camelot number. If you're in E-flat Minor (2A), add 7 and you'll be in E Minor (9A).

    To go up two semitones, just add 2 to your current Camelot number. If you're in C Minor (5A), add 2 and you'll get D Minor (7A). Play your next tune in 7A, and you'll experience an energy boost mix.

    Who uses it?

    I've heard Sasha and Armin Van Buuren use this technique many times. I personally love mixing +2 semitones since it does not clash as much as mixing +1 semitone. Every DJ should try this mix: The effect is really interesting.

    Yakov

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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    14 - 12 = 2

    You've went around the circle twice, there is no reason to count so many spaces.

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    Fidem
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    I realise this post was originally started in 2007 but the title of this post is now confusing with the release of MIK 5.5. I upgraded yesterday and wanted to find out what the new energy column was all about. There's nothing in the read tutorial or main areas of the website so I jumped onto the forum. Since this was so prominently up on the page I clicked it thinking it was about the energy. Might be worth changing the title or updating the website with something about the energy field.

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    This post is a sticky because it's useful to so many DJs. I realize it is a little confusing with the new energy level, but we've been calling this mix the energy boost mix for 5 years now, and energy level.. well, it's the energy level. We'll have some more info about it on our website shortly, thank you for your feedback.

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    On Monday, March 12, 2007 6:19 PM DJ Sizeup wrote:

    Hi Yakov - I just wanted to clarify:
    Ex: you're in 8A
    -7A, 8A,8B, and 9A are all compatible (I got that part)
    -3A (+ 1 semitone / up 7) and 10A (+ 2 semitones / up 2) would be 'energy boosting'
    -1A (- 1 semitone / -7) and 6A (-2 semitones / -2) would slow the dance floor down

    I know you said that - 1 semitone (1A) or - 2 semitones (6A) are NOT good choices, so should we as a rule of thumb avoid these at all costs or only use them to slow the floor down? My opinion is that they work sometimes but I just wanted to clarify.

    So to wrap it up... if you're in 8A, would the compatible choices be 7A,8A,8B,9A,10A, 3A, but absolutely NOT 6A, and 1A?

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    celoy09
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    Hello everyone,
    I am new to all these things, but because HM is interesting ang fascinating, I am learning and adapting to it except to this portion posted by Rocdollar "I find melodic blends or cutting between 2 tracks tend to work best when the tunes are in the same key or have a similar key signature (e.g relative, 1/5th or 1/4 away)." What does it mean?

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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    I think he is referring to Fifths and Fourths, he just wrote them as fractions instead, which I've never seen before. These are music intervals, checkout the Wikipedia article on music intervals for the basics.

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    celoy09
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    Thanks Chad..

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    DJ_AMEYA
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    Best Way i find to uplift d mood is
    1)
    to play tracks with key on the opposite of the wheel
    for e.g. 1A > 7A, 3A > 9A
    its subtle but sounds good !
    2)
    play the next camelot number
    for e.g. 1A > 2A less subtle.

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    What is modulation mixing

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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:17 PM conehead2 wrote:

    What is modulation mixing

    Mixing up one semitone, ie +/-7 on the Camelot Wheel.

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    Luune
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    How many semitones do i have to Change from 10B to 11B? I have tried with a space of 8/7*1=1,14 but as i analyzed it. It saied that it´s 5B...

    Please help!

    I used this linear camelot wheel: Image Text

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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    It would be +7 or -5 semitones. I would go with -5 because it's a smaller change. For more info, see my blog post on transposing.

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    Dimastas
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    Hi guys.
    ALso got a question about mixing with Camelot.

    If i have four 4A tracks + four 5A + four 6A - what would be the best mixing teqnique

    4A > 4A > A4 > 5A > 5A > 5A > 6A > 6A
    OR
    4A > 5A > 4A > 5A > 6A > 5A > 4A

    is it ok if i go up and down many times without going to the next numbers like 7A 8A 9A etc

    or its better to play smth like

    all the best with A5 THEN all the best with A6 THEN all the best A7 THEN all the best with A8 etc?

    cheerz )

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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    It all depends on the songs.

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    K-Sound
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    There are other ways to mix? Can mix a song in Fm to F #? to F or F #?
    For example, a song in F major, mix with any other in F? Both F-sharp, F minor and F sharp minor?

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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Fm to F#m is a semitone mix, which is mentioned in the first post. F minor to F# Major is probably not going to sound very good. For more experimental mixes check out the Advanced Harmonic Mixing section of our book, Beyond BeatMatching.

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    K-Sound
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    Chad, what style would be a level 9? An Electro House? Dubstep? I read the book, but not intendi well.
    Splitting a set in three parts (beginning, middle and end), what are the recommended levels for each? And what are the styles that can be used?

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    On Saturday, April 06, 2013 3:51 AM DJ Kelvis wrote:

    Chad, what style would be a level 9? An Electro House? Dubstep?

    Any high energy genre can have songs at a 9. Keep in mind that Energy Boost mixing has nothing to do with the energy level of the songs, it's a harmonic technique.

    Splitting a set in three parts (beginning, middle and end), what are the recommended levels for each?

    Depends on the situation, when are you playing? Are you opening, closing, headlining? Do a Google search for "opener DJ" or something like that, I know there are a few really good articles out there on being a good opener. Probably the same for closing but I haven't read any myself.

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    K-Sound
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    Deep House,Tech-House & Indie Dance songs are heating?

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    My The best combination of keys

    G#m + C m + E m + G#m + D#m + G m + B m + D#m + A#m + D m + F#m + C#m + A m + F m

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    DJ Hombre
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    I've just analysed my music library and only found 3 tracks with energy level 9;

    "Take Me To The Hospital" by The Prodigy "Invaders Must Die (Liam's Re-Amped Version)" by The Prodigy "I'm Excited" by DJ Shadow

    ...all very frenetic and lively.

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    K-Sound
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    Interesting combination. When you use this key combination?

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    K-Sound
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    On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:58 AM DJ Hombre wrote:

    I've just analysed my music library and only found 3 tracks with energy level 9;

    "Take Me To The Hospital" by The Prodigy
    "Invaders Must Die (Liam's Re-Amped Version)" by The Prodigy
    "I'm Excited" by DJ Shadow

    ...all very frenetic and lively.

    What styles do you play?

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    kilincs2
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    Hi.

    I have a question!

    The "B" what does that mean? An octave lower or higher than the "A"?

    THX!! :-)

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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    B is major, A is minor.

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    Nina084
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    Olanzapino -
    Because it does not only depend on the key.

    You can mix freely (especially the bass lines)

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    Dj fuegooo
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    HI i im a new dj and one of my most favorite bosst energy is 2 by 2 3 by 3 arround the clockone round i star 1- 3 -5-7-9-11
    them 2-4-6-8-10-12 espesialy for comersial house as is lot of romanti music this way get people to apresiate the track better as they are lisenig to it 2 keys away and 3 key away i do not mix romanti with party no more this is anothere round but i going to try your way as i want to lorn many ways so i never run out of musi to play i thing the the keys work depending of the mood of the tune but i still lorning out of all the coment your if the most intresting to me thanks

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    Dj fuegooo
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    i do mixing like that and i found the best way is to go of beat tow beat on front or 2 beat back
    how ever the best mis are if you mix 2 by 2 or 3 by 3 you can go from a 2 to a 4 or 6 or 8 0r 10 or 12 but is dependin where you wana keep the people whiht your music i never repite keys as people will feel it and if you are playing the 12 key can be comfusing on less you have arrange your set in avace i arrange a warm up and after the warm up aslong as i dont shange the way i play every thing is waooo lots of girls get very horny if i do round of sexy tunes espesialy on he round of 3 by 3

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    hi one of the reason i wana to lorn play in harmony key whas to buil a set of particular styling or era decada as we are getting lots of 50 60 70 80 90 00's cover in dance and house music HERE 2 SELECTION OF A ROMANT AND PARTY CD
    i put this togeher and firth cd 128 bpm 12 keys arround
    cd 2 130 bpm 13 keys i allso found that if i deside to randol the tune beacouse they are relate to a particular styly the make sense but this is my way so hope you like it

    CD 01
    01- Basslovers United - Ghetto Supastar 11a
    02- Timbaland ft. Nelly Furtado & Soshy - Morning After Dark [Moto Blanco Radio Mix] 01a
    03- Pitbull Ft. Havana Brown & Afrojack - Last Night (Pitbull Ft. Havana Brown & Afrojack) 03a
    04- Roll Deep - Green Light (Future Freakz Radio) 05a
    05- Cascada - San Francisco (Wideboys Radio Edit) 07a
    06- Black Eyed Peas - I Gotta Feeling 09a
    07- Dj Antoine vs Mad Mark - Broadway (Radio Edit) 11a
    08- Alexandra Burke Ft Pitbull - All Night Long (Cahill Radio) 02a
    09- R.A.M - Dancing in the Moonlight 04a
    10- Nicko - Last Summer (Rivaz Rework Edit) 06a
    11- 2 Unlimited Ft. Flo Rida & Big Ali - Hit Da Remix (Willy William Remix) 08a
    12- Desaparecidos ft. Big Ali - Go Crazy (Lanfranchi & Farina Edit) 10a

    CD 02

    01- Hot Banditoz - Get Down On The Floor (Us Rap Version) 12a
    02- David Guetta ft. Ne-Yo & Akon - Play Hard 01a
    03- Geeno Fabulous ft. Raheema - Rhythm Is All That I Need (Hans-O-Matik Edit) 03a
    04- Pitbull ft. Ne-Yo, Afrojack & Nayer - Give Me Everything (Tonight) 05a
    05- Pixie Lott - All About Tonight 07a
    06- Chris Kaeser - Who's In The House (New Vocal Edit) 09a
    07- Mike De Ville Vs. L.a. Calling - Pump It Up (Rico Bernasconi Vs. Max Farenthide Remix Edit) 11a
    08- Rico Bernasconi - Hit The Dust (Radio Mix) 02a
    09- LMFAO vs.Montell Jordan - This Is How We Party Rock (Stelmix 4 Mashup Rough Edit) 04a
    10- Will.I.Am & Britney Spears - Scream & Shout (Alessandro Vinai Bootleg) 06a
    11- Uniting Nations - You And Me (Radio Edit) 08a
    12- Oliver Cheatham Project - Get Down Saturday Night (Henry Blank Edit) 10a
    13- Whigfield ft. Carlprit - Saturday Night (Max K. Edit) 12a

    all this tune are on sequense 2b 2 and 3 b 3this is
    a 1 and half hour of selec and i use this tune for war up the best way lol

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    the best way will b to play start up key so people are higer and drop 4 them 5 people fowlow any ways aslong as you dont comfuse them by randoling tune to often your warm up shoud be in sequens at the biguining of your set after people got you they will trost you and you music set shoud built as you will star remember more track to play allway check the key that is playing the most importan track when i play or mix in key is never the one is playing as people are allrady ejoing it is the next one that determine what way people going you can allways repite keys but this is the reason wy this way is so good so you dont end up reping keys this the par when the musi can be tedeus or if you mixing chart the music can b ecome sheasse if you deside to repite keys this is what i will advise one boy one girl or one girl one boy if the tune have vocal if not them maythem pley toguether as one

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    Dj fuegooo
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    if you doing round best way is to do theo ider 2 b 2 or 3 b 3 it dos not matar the styling of the music as people will b on a progressive vibe

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    this is a big anergy boost of a key if you wana boost the bpm go 130 bpm from 128 if yo go higer 132 bpm or 134 bpm your nex tune shoud b the same bom and go to key 11 you will experince a nice energy boost as is like going on a ride and just went all the way up when you are up you wanna stay there for a bit to anjoit the viu and waiting to ride all the way down so if you reach key 11 don play key key 12 go to key 3 as you are doing big gaps so this is the sequens key
    2a to 9a to 11a to 3a
    the bpm is very importan in this energy boos as you no only using bpm but the key will rise to
    so deside what bpm you wana takem and keep them arround there till key 3a as you esely low the tempo in the same key feel better if you deside to play next key go down or up by 2 beat or 4 beat or 8 beat or 10 beat
    dont forget if you go higher holden ther for another tune in the same bpm
    do not drop keys in this anergy boos till you reach key 11 or 12 in heer is so natural for dj to go from 12 to 4a or 6a somtime the go 8 but you ar not playing the all scool styling so this is what i sugest
    if you reach 12 go 2a dont go 01 on less you wanna go 3 b3 on the next round if you reach 11a go to 01 here is the part when you can shange the mood of the vibe to sut you goo look

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    this b are the best if you got them keep them safe as is not many of them in house this as far as i know are clasic keys found in lot of nersery ryms but here is the deal
    Diamonds (Freedom Remix) Rihanna 128 bpm key C or key 08b they are the same difernt name
    i found this tune in my colecting and this is the par when if you wana repite key this is the best way play let say 08a key of a boys vocal and them go to a b key in the same key 08b and the efec is waooooo i got the girls wild the othere day when i play rihhana after a tune of a boy vocal even me got the shild loltry

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    yes you can do that if your round just reach there you can go 04 a but remember that you starting there so your next key shoub 09a and you go againg to 11 remember that the styling of your music will shage if you star it deferen do not go next key as them this will sound wrong using the keys can b millions ways what make the set is the continuty of your round if you are lornig to play by key the only thing is goin to comfusion is the all way so swit of the all scool styling and get into this way matematic + and - is the anser my rounds r 2 b 2 3 b 3 and i have don this jump and realise that if i shage the way i nee to b consisten with the round but them i got lot of tune to play the so get as many tune in your coletion that you know and scan the keys to b rady when this happent you will sound like a new dj when in the dj box as you shange the sequen of your set this is the avantege of knowing the key you can b mor imaginity

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    here my best anergy boost at the biguining of my set this get the people roling stry away just get togethere the styling you wanna play and keep the same bpm for the firth round and the second boost the bpm 2a 4a 6a 8a 108 12a 01a 03a 05a 07a 09a 11a them you can star randoling keys as the people are allrady in the zone as you just lethem hear the 12 keys in music you are no longuer a one way dj people will open there ear to hear more trusme i dont this for 8 year and no one whas paing atention to it this is just like whe cd came out no one want to play cd and the minidisc but this whass shh....and them mp3 even 2day you still gott lot of dj sayong i dont like mp3 so lorn as many way so you can shage your round any time ps one thing for sure i say 3 by 3 is the best for me people get very hyper 2 by 2 is more pasive most of dj all scool do this naturaly play most of there tune par keys i have look into minister of sound copilation adn you harly fine any od keys and this is a big house buisnee so get as many as you can of od keys as you ar going to be a propal dj play keys rothere them stok on one or 3 keys and music

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    hi 09a or 09b this keys are g8 as if you are playing a key 06a you can go 09a and is a real boost when i play i have lot of tune in this keys i dont repite key as i like my set always on the rooll if i repite a key im just holding the crow but if by shoise no beacouse you have to
    or if you do round of od keys exemple
    01a 03a 05a 07a 09aq 011a
    is g8 espesialy if you got a group of tune the are relating in some how like sexy tunes or party tune or romantiso is par of ny slyling you wanna to use from 080 bpm to 300bom now you wont fine 300 bpm on inglish tune fore sure but im latino so we like fast very fast and the latin girls well faster so dont worry abot the 300 bpm

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    hi when you star your set get a round rady use the same bpm in this round now do not go back on this round as you are trying to buld your energy you can do this in many ways 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 this is the slow way but can b done and it feel nice as you are not repint keys is progresion no mata what you shoese to play to people ear and boddy it will feel nice and intresting there is 12 keys to play and thwey are the minor keys if you found kayor keys well this is the best one to repite keys as you ar taking the inside the weel is a diferent feling ther nomatta what tune is you just went from a mayor to minor key and it feel waooooo
    here my way hope you like it go round 2 by 2 in your firth roune exemple
    02a 04a 06a 08a 10a 12a this are pasive keys they will war up nice the crow them nex round go
    3 by exemple
    01a 03a 05a 07a 09a 11a this keys i found in my music selection are more hyper so this one can b 2cond round after that you coud star randoling the tune as you will b rady or warn as you ear just hears the 12 if realy many ways to do it but this is one of them for me so ejoit if you like it

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    hi this is my ways every beat count in this sistem as you ar not repiting keys so if you go from 138 to 142 this 4 beat up i probably say 4% of you energy boost them the keys have nothing to do with this as they are tow thing you are going up the key so there is not need to worri about as youar no far from the las key and no far from the last bpm
    here what i sugest to do mach the 142 bpm to mach the 138 at the biguinning of the mix as the track bijaing is on the last lap you can reset the bpm to rise to the new track you just did a supper mix as you no only rise the bpm but the key and if the two tune are good tune well waoooo

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    Ratanjit
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    how do you keep boosting energy once you have gone all the way around the wheel?

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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    You're thinking about it all wrong. Circles don't have a beginning or an end, so it doesn't matter where you started or where you end, the principle is always the same.

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    On Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:35 AM DJKwon wrote:

    Everyone, what is your favorite starting song and key? Any particular tunes that get you in the mood to DJ?

    I can't pick just one =)

    So 3A, 10A and 11B are my favourites!

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    On Monday, January 01, 2007 8:55 PM Yakov (Mixed In Key) wrote:

    Hi,

    Increase your BPM by exactly 6%, and you'll go from 2A to 9A.

    Does this work regardless of what BPM you're at? If so, this is an awesome trick to have up your sleeve. Any more tips like this?

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    On Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:03 PM Yakov (Mixed In Key) wrote:

    Mike, there is no such thing as "too much theory". Many DJs here produce as well (4 Strings, Shane 54, and many others).

    Any production/composition tips are very useful.

    I agree absolutely. I've taken some theory in college but am VERY rusty. Anyone have any good beginner/ intermediate theory books or websites you recommend?
    Thanks!

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    Javailia
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    Hey guys thank you very much for the useful information

    as far as the pitch to key change goes I had a friend who sent me this chart.

    1 semitone = +5.95%
    2 semitones = +12.25%
    3 semitones = +18.92%
    4 semitones = +25.99%
    5 semitones = +33.48% (perfect 4th)
    6 semitones = +41.42%
    7 semitones = +49.83% (perfect 5th)
    8 semitones = +58.74%
    9 semitones = +68.18%
    10 semitones = +78.18%
    11 semitones = +88.78%
    12 semitones = +100.0% (octave)

    Downwards

    1 semitone = -5.61%
    2 semitones = -10.91%
    3 semitones = -15.91%
    4 semitones = -20.63%
    5 semitones = -25.08% (perfect 4th)
    6 semitones = -29.30%
    7 semitones = -33.25% (perfect 5th)
    8 semitones = -37.00%
    9 semitones = -40.54%
    10 semitones = -43.87%
    11 semitones = -47.03%
    12 semitones = -50.0% (octave)

    I just wanted to make sure this chart was accurate because he seemed unsure

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    It should be approximately 6% per semitone.

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    Dj Ceci
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    So I am sure that I got this 100% correct before starting to make a lot of smart playlists in iTunes.
    Would this be the correct recipe:

    ENERGY BOOST:
    1A ---> 3A and 8A
    1B ---> 3B and 8B
    2A ---> 4A and 9A
    2B ---> 4B and 9B
    3A ---> 5A and 10A
    3B ---> 5B and 10B
    4A ---> 6A and 11A
    4B ---> 6B and 11B
    5A ---> 7A and 12A
    5B ---> 7B and 12B
    6A ---> 8A and 1A
    6B ---> 8B and 1B
    7A ---> 9A and 2A
    7B ---> 9B and 2B
    8A ---> 10A and 3A
    8B ---> 10B and 3B
    9A ---> 11A and 4A
    9B ---> 11B and 4B
    10A ---> 12A and 5A
    10B ---> 12B and 5B
    11A ---> 1A and 6A
    11B ---> 1B and 6B
    12A ---> 2A and 7A
    12B ---> 2B and 7B

    ENERGY DROP:
    1A ---> 11A and 6A
    1B ---> 11B and 6B
    2A ---> 12A and 7A
    2B ---> 12B and 7B
    3A ---> 1A and 8A
    3B ---> 1B and 8B
    4A ---> 2A and 9A
    4B ---> 2B and 9B
    5A ---> 3A and 10A
    5B ---> 3B and 10B
    6A ---> 4A and 11A
    6B ---> 4B and 11B
    7A ---> 5A and 12A
    7B ---> 5B and 12B
    8A ---> 6A and 1A
    8B ---> 6B and 1B
    9A ---> 7A and 2A
    9B ---> 7B and 2B
    10A ---> 8A and 3A
    10B ---> 8B and 3B
    11A ---> 9A and 4A
    11B ---> 9B and 4B
    12A ---> 10A and 5A
    12B ---> 10B and 5B

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    Chad (MIK Mod)
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    Energy boost is + 2 on the Camelot Wheel, which raises the key two semitones. +7 is more of a "modulation" mix, it raises the key one semitone. It still raises the key but doesn't have the same lifting feel as +2.

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    Da Eagle
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    Here's another way for creating an Energy Boost, i've read this somewhere on the internet and started experimenting with it.
    Surprizingly it works quite well in 80% of all cases. It's about mixing from a Major Key into a Minor Key and vice versa.

    When in Major, Subtract 3 (eg. 7B to 4A)
    When in Minor, Add 3 (eg. 10A to 1B)

    I've been having some great transitions with this, so it's really worth trying.

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    Da Eagle
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    Here's another way for creating an Energy Boost, i've read this somewhere on the internet and started experimenting with it.
    Surprizingly it works quite well in 80% of all cases. It's about mixing from a Major Key into a Minor Key and vice versa.

    When in Major, Subtract 3 (eg. 7B to 4A)
    When in Minor, Add 3 (eg. 10A to 1B)

    I've been having some great transitions with this, so it's really worth trying.

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    Kyle H.W.
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    F-Minor or C-Minor. I have a lot of drum and bass tunes in F-Min. Its a great place to start some neurotic/dark dnb sets.

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    Jacox
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    Good afternoon to all,
    sorry but i am new to Harmonic Mixing and energy boosting. I have a simple question,
    If i am playing tracks in "A" can o boost energy going in "B" ? For example, i boost mixing from 1A to 3A, but from 1A can i go in 3B to obtain boosting effect? Thanks!!

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