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gobo66

Hi,

i bought Captain Plugins yesterday. I like all the features so much. Its a great tool. But why i can't use it offline. I'm using all my audio workstation offline for years now. I only go online to register a new plugin and now i should be always online? This is a NO GO for me! Is there any way to use these plugins offline?

Best Regards

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James Araujo - MIK Team

Hi,

I completely understand your frustration about the online requirement.

There are 3 reasons why Captain Plugins and Odesi only works online:

1) We wanted our users to access their sessions from anywhere in the world, like Dropbox. Personally, I've lost numerous Ableton sessions on old hard drives. I've lost sessions because I didn't have the VST installed anymore. I think at least 50% of the songs I've ever made is gone now because I cannot open them anymore. By creating an "Online" version of Odesi, we're able to store your projects in the cloud and allow you to access them from anywhere in the world, by clicking on the "Login" button on the Odesi website. The direct URL for that is https://app.odesimusic.com

2) I know music producers that pirate all the software they use. They paid for nothing except their hardware. So, we made it online only, which makes it harder to pirate. It generates enough revenue that we can keep adding new features and plugins, like Captain Play which we just launched. It's a free update because people paid for this software. If nobody paid, the software wouldn't exist, and wouldn't get updated. You're supporting a small company of honest people with your money. If we help you make just ONE song that gets 1 million views on Youtube, I'm sure your investment into Captain Plugins and Odesi has paid off.

3) Mixed In Key has been an online-connected product for 11 years, and it has a huge, happy user-base. Your Facebook is an onlineapp. Your iCloud is an online app. It just takes getting used to, but music production can be done online too.

Let me know what you think :)

p.s. You can use Captain plugins offline to play the MIDI you've already written. However, you need to be connected to the Internet to write new MIDI notes inside the plugins themselves. Our generators require Internet access.

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OverDriven

James,
While I can understand your position, I feel that there are better alternatives.

1) Musicians should be smart enough to store their projects responsibly. I store all of mine on MS Onedrive, which means my computer/HD could be destroyed and I would still have all of my projects. There are a number of solutions like that that make it easy. Beyond that, what are you actually saving in the cloud? It can't be the complete project file, as the VST doesn't have access to that info. At most, it could save the presets and the progressions/melodies you've created in the plugin. Those are pretty useless on their own, as the real magic happens once you export your MIDI to the DAW. Finally, a hard drive crash would still mean you have to reinstall the VST. I don't really see the benefit in what you're saying here.

2) I think this is the real reason it's online only, and I can understand that. However, pretty much every other company manages to make their plugins profitable using offline technologies. Why not licence it with iLok? You may have noticed that iLok enabled software almost never shows up on pirating sites because it's very difficult to get around. Either way, the number of potential customers you're losing due to the online-only requirement probably outweighs the potential loss due to piracy. You have to remember - those who pirate it would not have bought it anyway. You're assuming that potential paying customers are becoming pirates, and I find this hard to believe.

3) This is professional music software, not Facebook and iCloud. Facebook is a free service which is funded by ads, for one. iCloud is free storage solution with payable tiers. Those are completely different models, and you're comparing apples to oranges.

Again, I understand your position, but you're doing yourself a disservice and you don't realize it. I believe this model will decrease revenue. The biggest problem is that you are asking us to pay for something, and then trust that Mixed In Key will be around for the foreseeable future. What if I want to use this in 10 years and for some reason you've gone out of business? How can you ask customers to pay for something that you could then cut off or charge more for in the future? I'm not saying you WILL, but that's beside the point. They users takes on all of the risk here. Most musicians, and particularly professional musicians, want to know that the software they use is THEIRS and that they can count on it, regardless of whether the company behind it still exists.

I've said it before, but every large and small plugin and DAW company has faced this decision, and the vast majority of them have come to the conclusion that offline is the way to go. Don't you think it would be foolish to assume that you somehow figured out how to make this model work? It doesn't work. I'm sure this won't change your mind, but it will certainly change the minds of many of your potential customers.

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Chords

I hate iLok.And I dont want to use software online.Don't worry about people who don't pay, as long as the software is good enough, there's always someone to support.

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MelMac69

yes very presumptuous of the company to take away customer option, no online requirements once installed please!!!

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Euphonious

I was really close to pulling the trigger and purchasing the Captain Plugins Bundle, but the online requirement is unfortunately making me think twice about this.
This is my own personal situation but a reasonably common one non-the-less.......A very high percentage of my workflow originates in an offline environment. My actual job involves air travel and temporary accommodation so getting online is either extravagant or not possible.
But I can understand the reasoning as a company to go the online requirement these days it just makes it a little less flexible as a product for me.

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soundmagus

Yup I have to say you just lost me as a customer and the potential for many more (I have over 10000 followers in my music tutorial websites), only online is a joke, if for no other reason than your telling me how to run my production environment, no thanks.

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LMusik

I am about to buy the complete bundle (although I am on Windows which seems to be not complete at the moment) but I would like to use the tools mainly on the train to my daily commutes to work. I got Reason 10 on the laptop which also has a sort-of-necessity for an online connection BUT ONLY when the program starts. This I can do with my mobile phone in the station without a problem. During the ride, reception is sketchy at best (and even if it weren’t - my monthly mobile plan isn’t suited for a Windows 10 update-hungry computer being constantly connected to it).

Would it be an idea to couple ONLY the start of the program to an internet connection?

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Terry50

wow... I'm glad I found out about this before I bought it..

No thank you,

we all can see how google and facebook and you tube are censoring

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highmarcs

I bought Odisy the other day, and I'm probably going to use that 30 day refund. I HATE the whole concept of "cloud" computing. There is NO SUCH THING as cloud computing. The "cloud" is just someone else's computer somewhere. I don't feel comfortable storing my data/creations on someone else's computer. This is ripe for an invasion privacy and intellectual property theft. No thanks. I only store MY data/creations on MY computer. How can anyone still support the notion of "cloud" computing when we read everyday about how tech companies use, abuse and exploit the data we trusted them with. This is why I'm also against "subscription" software. For every person you prevent from "cracking" your product with this method, you lose ten legitimate buyers who otherwise would have purchased your product.

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ozbrookes

Same here, just about to buy also...will continue with iPad Odysy airdrop into Logic, ...offline to compose too.

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lucaslucash

just the same here, its only online to prevent data lost from users and software cracking? i wonder why mixed in keys dont tell anything about this issue after the purchase? and how other companies can provides sotftware that works offline...?
sorry for another potential buyer lost

anyway its still a great software idea and concept, let me know when CP and Odesi can run without internet connection and i will be glad to return here

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NoJunk

I also just bought Captain Chords but I may be returning it due to the online only requirement. I just came back from a week long conference where there were many times that wifi was not available - plane, spotty hotel/conference wifi - but my Maschine DAW ran happily. I would have been very frustrated to realize that I couldn't use Captain Chords in these situations. I like the software but not the feeling that I am being treated like a criminal.

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Hooj Yo Daddy?

I have to agree with the totality of the rebuttals against the need to be online to use this product. I like the product, its clean and quite useful. However, it is constrained (like MiK) by my need to have a connection to use it. I have an Ilok, I can take that with me up into the mountains, or across the country without the need for reliable cell service and hotspotting through my phone.

I think we can all understand the piracy aspect, but there are alternatives to online authentication. I love Roland Cloud, but it is also tethered and therefore not completely reliable or compatible with my workflow. J74 Progressive might not be as user friendly of an interface, but it can do everything Captain Chords needs to do (at a cheaper price) without this tethering restriction. Im not responding to harp on or complain about this product that I really like, but to underline the cumbersome nature of its restriction. Is there a way to split the authentication between Cloud based and Ilok? This would be of great use to some of us who are dedicated investors in your software, and still allow those who dabble the freedom and restrictions that cloud authentication brings to the table.

All of this is food for thought. Yes, I will continue to use this product when I have a solid connection, and be glad for it. When I dont, J74 is a very viable alternative. To be honest they both have their idiosyncrasies. I hope we can keep a dialogue open to make this tool the most it can be, starting with our ability to use it unfettered.

Thanks.

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Hooj Yo Daddy?

We would like to hear more official dialect on this subject, please.

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Bruno Long

I also just found out about this. I can still use the refund and Im really convinced to use it. Have to be always online is the oposite of the circumstances I need for my creative work. I find it really sad because I like the plug-in and even considered to buy "mixed in key" but not anymore...
It is very shocking that I almost got over the 30 days without knowing abot this. Becaus of this I will try to inform as many people as possible about it via youtube etc.
If the plug-ins getting an update which fixes this issue I will change my mind but at this point the captain chords arent worth the money i.m.o.

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sunrise1

i have no problem with being online with captain chords
i just make my chord progression drag it into my daw and switch off my internet connection
worth every penny dont see the fuss with being online while you use the program

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jkh0208

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:41 AM gobo66 wrote:

Hi,

i bought Captain Plugins yesterday. I like all the features so much. Its a great tool. But why i can't use it offline. I'm using all my audio workstation offline for years now. I only go online to register a new plugin and now i should be always online? This is a NO GO for me! Is there any way to use these plugins offline?

Best Regards

The fuss is that not all of us have constant internet access. As a US Navy servicemember, I am often deployed or out to sea where I have no access to the internet for weeks or months on end. Music production is my stress reliever during any moments of downtime.

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drconfusion

HOLD. THE. PHONE.

I bought the captain chords bundle last night & just found out about this.

This is ridiculous.

There are MANY & varied reasons that I need to work on music with no internet connection.

I've never heard of any other music software needing an active connection to function.

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frontline

Wow... so stupid..

I was about to buy the software tnight but this...... NO wayyy !!

I hate feeling like a slave to a company that forces you to send you datas to unidentified servers, who knows what you do with the datas of users, selling the best melodies on the pro market, using it to power some online presets so thousands of people are playing with your melody ideas without your contentment ..?

You made the to not be screwed up by pirates, you just lost one more customer..

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James Araujo - MIK Team

You can read about our Privacy Policy here, if that's one of your concerns :)

https://mixedinkey.com/privacy-policy/

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frontline

Yeah, big companies also say they respect your privacy until some security experts prove to the world they where not since the beginning.

Anyway your move here.

And it is not only about privacy, it's also about no being dependent to a connexion, about having what you pay for on your very own computer.

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entrainer

I've been burned by companies going out of business where I can no longer authorize the software which I own. There is no guarantee you will be still around in 5 years. And if you are around in 10 years, will your software still function on my current machine with my current OS? Or will you stop supporting my current OS with online usage at some point? I have software from years ago which still functions on the machine it is installed on. The software is old, it is out-of-date... but so is an SP1200 and an MPC3000.

It feels like you are offering a subscription model disguised as a purchase. Maybe you should just go to a subscription model. I expect 5 years of usage from my purchases. 79/60 months = $1.31 per month. Round up a bit, $20 a year. That feels safer, if your software stops working or outpaces our hardware purchases, we can cancel the subscription.

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two shoes

I was just waiting for Reason to implement a vst midi out or a viable workaround to purchase the suite of captain plugins, but I had no idea there was an online requirement to use them - I tested them on my online gaming pc, but my studio computer is offline and always will be. I will NEVER purchase any music softare that requires you to be online to use it and this is an extremely short-sighted and foolish decision by Mixed in Key in my opinion.

You may have existed and grown for 11 years with this requirement, but you will never go mainstream as long as you insist on it - as demonstrated by the experience of countless other audio developers since forever. I don't know a single professional or serious hobbyist musician who keeps their audio computer connected to the internet and would purchase a product with this requirement. Many of them even refuse to use products from developers who require a licensing dongle to to the inevitable hassle and inconvenience associated with it.

The biggest problem, as stated above, however, is that any software that must be able to "phone home" so to speak in order to work IS NOT SOFTWARE YOU OWN. You are merely paying a subscription fee to be able to use it as long as the company exists and feels like supporting the product line and maintaining their servers. Company gets hacked - you can't use "your" software, internet outage - you can't use "your" software, company decides a paid update is required to continue using older versions - you can't use "your" software, company goes out of business as most in this industry eventually do - you can never use "your" software again. Reassurances and promises to the contrary from Mixed In Key are meaningless and worthless - every company thinks is is going to be around forever and always be successful and almost none are.

I know hundreds of people who make music for a living and for fun and I can assure you than fewer than one in ten of those people would ever consider purchasing online only software and probably half or less will put up with dongle/ilok based licensing schemes. If you have always had this requirement for your products then you have no idea how many customers you are losing due to it.

I strongly encourage Mixed In Key to reconsider this incredibly unwise and customer hostile policy and use one of the various industry standard offline licensing models that work for countless other plugin and host developers. I for one (and pretty much everyone I know) will NEVER be a paying customer as long as this policy exists. I like the Captain plugins better than W.A. Productions Instachord and Instascale, but it looks like those plugins are what I will be settling for if Mixed In Key decides to keep their products online only.

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sunrise1

David Guetta: “Captain Chords can inspire you. It’s the perfect tool for song-writing. I’m using it every day and showing my friends. Captain Play is great for creating melodies” – May 2018

why change a winning formula mixed in keys dont want there software pirated
seems fair enough to me
its already a success so why change it
i love captain chords and i have no problem with it being online
i cant believe how low the price is for such a fantastic music creation tool
probably the best purchase i have ever made in music software excluding ableton 10
and with more updates in the pipeline buying the software is a no brainer
big thx to James Araujo -and the MIK Team for the recent updates exciting times indeed

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swaghoemoney

There are enough people already pirating daws and some of top plugins, but if you really go deep down, you realise you can't just download everything, if you found your specific plugin that you like you must respect it, show some love!

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HansVayer

So glad I clicked on forums before buying! If you are going to make it necessary to be online I would accept it more if the cost was much lower or it was a subscription based thing, this is too much of a downside and at the price I will stick to other options, I hate iLok but compared to having to be online constantly... Madness......

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hikkimori

Excellent post, well said! Always online = no buy because reasons mentioned above, nothing more to add, really. And that’s very sad and frustrating because from what I see those plugins looks very interesting. Hope developers will change their minds and go with ilok or similiar system to protect their work without punishing legal users & potential buyers.

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sunrise1

Captain Plugins cheap as chips try it buy it happy days enough said
the new updates are fantastic and more to come yiiiiiiiiiiiiipppppppppppeeeeeeeeeeeeee
big thx to James Araujo - MIK Team for the latest updates

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jwheeler726

I'm really discouraged by the lack of response from mixedinkey - You guys seem unmovable on this.

I couldn't have said it any better (or as well even) as OverDriven back in Feb. You should really take what he said into account instead of throwing your privacy policy back at us.

The thing I don't like is that the software sometimes shows a progress bar when doing seemingly inexpensive operations like stretching chords. I'm assuming there's network access going on there. As polished as the rest of the software is, I can't believe it's a poor choice of algorithm.

At any rate, I'm here to cast my vote with a thumbs down on the internet access. This software doesn't need it--neither do my speakers or my midi controller when I turn them on.

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ElkaSynthex

On Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:09 PM two shoes wrote:

I know hundreds of people who make music for a living and for fun and I can assure you than fewer than one in ten of those people would ever consider purchasing online only software and probably half or less will put up with dongle/ilok based licensing schemes. If you have always had this requirement for your products then you have no idea how many customers you are losing due to it.

I strongly encourage Mixed In Key to reconsider this incredibly unwise and customer hostile policy and use one of the various industry standard offline licensing models that work for countless other plugin and host developers. I for one (and pretty much everyone I know) will NEVER be a paying customer as long as this policy exists. I like the Captain plugins better than W.A. Productions Instachord and Instascale, but it looks like those plugins are what I will be settling for if Mixed In Key decides to keep their products online only.

Well it is a bit strange to have to be online all the time to use it. But MixedinKey offer 30 day refund if you are not pleased so their terms are very agreeable and not hostile at all. If you want to see hostile go buy a Kontakt sample library from and you will never see a dollar back even if it is broken.

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uncle808us

No offline No sale!

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